Talk:The Theater at Madison Square Garden

Requested move 13 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus and WP:COMMONNAME. Including "The" as sources use it. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 13:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hulu Theater → The Theater at Madison Square Garden – The Hulu branding has been dropped. [1] I assumed that this would be an uncontroversial move, but User:Eejit43 opposed this citing WP:COMMONNAME. I strongly disagree with that as the theater has only had the Hulu naming for 5 years. Excluding a 3 year period from '07-'09 where it was briefly named WaMu, it has been named The Theater at Madison Square Garden from 1997-2018, totalling to 19 years. If anything, The Theater at Madison Square Garden was more the common name of the theater even during the Hulu branding. Note: It might also be useful to discuss whether or not we would immediately move the page again if they get a new cooperate sponsorship. I'm actually neutral on that discussion as I can see the arguments to moving to the official name as well as the arguments for leaving it at the neutral and stable title of The Theater at Madison Square Garden regardless of official name. What I don't agree with using a non-neutral name that isn't its name anymore and was only its name for a very brief portion of its history. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@JDDJS I want to clarify I don't specifically oppose this move, I just thought it could potentially be controversial. A quick comparison does show they have similar search rate, so I couldn't be against moving to the new name. I think having a stable title of "The Theater at Madison Square Garden" is a good idea, as that will likely remain a common search term. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 11:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I would support this move per WP:NAMECHANGES: Where an official name has changed we do give extra weight to independent reliable secondary sources published after the change. If the theater isn't named after Hulu anymore, I do not think it would be controversial to move it to the new, official name.

@JDDJS, in regards to It might also be useful to discuss whether or not we would immediately move the page again if they get a new cooperate sponsorship, I think we should discuss whether to move the page again only when a new corporate sponsorship is announced. We do not know whether a corporate sponsor will materialize yet, let alone whether the new corporate name would be the most commonly used name. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. If moved, it should be to Theater at Madison Square Garden per WP:THE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support as proposed (i.e. including "The"). Disagree with Necrothesp WP:THE endorses dropping the article, and think that policy suggests including it instead - per the link, "The Theatre" appears to be the branding as the proper name, with "The" in the same size and font as "Theatre" and larger than "at Madison Square Garden." SnowFire (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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