Talk:The Apprentice (American TV series) season 12

Jumping the Gun

There has been no official announcement of the cast for the fifth season of Celebrity Apprentice. There have been media leaks and unauthorized photographs that might be referenced as the sources, but none are. References are needed. Also, the note regarding Marco Andretti needs documentation that media leaks were in error.

Additional information appears to be based on rumor or supposition. This includes: the team names; the designation of charities for Clay Aiken, Teresa Giudice, and Dee Snider; and the number of episodes. I think the information either needs to be properly sourced or deleted, but why not simply wait until the official cast list is announced and the show is airing to fill in the entry? I don't think Wikipedia is supposed to be repository of rumors and guesses, no matter how reasonable.Samtha25 (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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Relax. The Official announcement of the cast is tomorrow/today on the Today Show on NBC. Various details are fleshed out by someone [me] who knows these things and all will be verified in good time. AllDone (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are not a verifiable reference. One problem with posting unsourced information, no matter how certain it seems, is that it sometimes turns out to be inaccurate, as was the speculation that Macro Andretti had been listed as a contestant in the early leaks in error, and it may never gets corrected. Even if it does, people may read the inaccurate information in the interim and never see the correction, thereby being forever misinformed, or if they do see it, be rightfully skeptical in the future of Wikipedia's reliabilty. The best practice is to not post anything until it has good, verifiable sources.Samtha25 (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

And yet, My information is accurate. Note that I was not the editor that announced Marco Andretti as a contestant. AllDone (talk) 21:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

You miss the point. No matter how accurate, you are not an independent verifiable source and Wiki policy is no original work. Are you familiar with it? Without independent sources, no one knows if the information is accurate or not. You're saying so isn't sufficient. Do you see? If you're the one doing the recaps, they too need to be sourced. Samtha25 (talk) 00:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Formatting

Someone continues to make edits that widen the columns and sabotages the effort to fit all of the columns on the page without side scrolling. I have reversed the edits and will try again to make it all fit but the sabotage is getting tiresome. AllDone (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Candidates' order

Someone is changing the order that the candidates should be displayed. I reverted the edits to put the three sessions at the same order (organized by last name). --Tam001 (talk) 04:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I have had to repair that same vandalism several times myself. AllDone (talk) 06:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Please

Can we please change "LOSE" to "LOSS" in the results table? It makes no sense in the current state. --Boycool (talk) 13:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Elimination chart colors

Some of the colors chosen for this table are too close in shade to each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.4.242 (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Also the letter coding has no legend and there is no designation for the color white. Pirhounix 10:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirhounix (talk • contribs)

Plainlink the external charities?

Does anyone have any objection to using plainlink on the charities without a wikipedia page so that the links all look identical?Naraht (talk) 12:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Winning, losing and bias

In response to the "WIN"/"LOSE" criticism above, maybe "WON" and "LOST" would be better, since we already have "FIRED."

Also, be vigilant against bias. I just cleaned some up in the entry for Episode #6. Whoever added information claimed that Aubrey O'Day doesn't like Venezuelans or foreigners, presumably since she called Patricia Velasquez and Dayana Mendoza back into the boardroom with her, and also claimed that Patricia was "unfairly" fired. DBR96A (talk) 07:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBR96A (talk • contribs) 07:45, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Someone's jumped the gun for next week's episode...

Can someone please remove the results for Episode 8/Task 9 because that won't be shown for at least another six days. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.111.74.241 (talk) 21:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Show's editing

Lisa Lampinelli was on the Paul Castronovo and Ron Brewer radio show on WBGG 106FM in Miami, Florida on Tuesday, 4/3/12, and she said NBC has been editing the show to make certain people look good, and to make certain people look bad. Marc S., Dania Florida 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe that's called reality television :) --Boycool † (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

elimination chart notation

what the hell is the point of "IN" notated in the boxes?? one can reasonably figure out what is generally meant if the episodes have been seen, but the way it's presented it looks utterly meaningless. for a chart with such complexity and detail, color coding, results, etc. the placement of a notation like that without stating its purpose is kinda lame. Patric627 (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the term "IN" is not defined nor is the term "BR". Unless they are defined, they should be removed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzzhuh (talk • contribs) 03:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Winnings

I don't believe Dayana or Teresa have each earned over $300,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.254.225 (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Spoilers

There are unsourced spoilers in the elimination table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.227.2.145 (talk) 14:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Elimination Table

Someone keeps changing the elimination table to show that all of the men were called back to the boardroom in task 4 when in fact none of them were singled out because Adam Corolla refused to name anyone. The BR designation is only for those singled out as being at risk for firing. In task 4 all the men were safe except Michael Andretti and Adam Corrolla and they were fired.

Task 5 was similar because Tia Carrera also refused to name anyone and was fired.

AllDone (talk) 22:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

BR is used to designate who was brought back to the final boardroom, not who was signaled out. All of the men were brought back to the final boardroom in episode 4, In episode 5 there was no final boardroom, so no one is marked with Br for that episode.205.209.83.211 (talk) 23:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

BR is used to single out those that were picked by the project manager as worthy of being fired because they did not perform as well as the ones who are safe. Adam made it clear that he would not choose anyone but himself. Trump asked them all to leave while he conferred with his advisers. When they all came back in none of them except Adam were in any danger so this was not a boardroom where the remaining men were up for firing. It is an exception so stop marking the remaining men as if they were in danger of being fired when they were not.

AllDone (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Everyone on that team was up for elimination. It was an open debate for who would be fired. And the key saya that BR is used to represent anyone who is brought back into the final boardroom, and that has always been this way, and you can't go around changing things without discussing them first.205.209.83.211 (talk) 03:34, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Adam Corolla said he would not be naming anyone to bring back to the boardroom. BR designates a contestant singled out by the project manager for firing. Adam refused to name anyone.

AllDone (talk) 07:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

About Meatloaf & Lisa Lampanelli!

Hello! Okay, so let me get this straight in my head at least. Meatloaf was fired, not because he couldn't control his own temper tantrums, but because Lisa Lampanelli couldn't control hers?! ;-) LeoStarDragon1 (talk) 04:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeoStarDragon1 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The Episode 13 Summary

Someone needs to learn to put on their neutrality hat! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.229.178 (talk) 13:38, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Fired reasons are subjective and conjectural.

The reasons given in this article for why a contestant is "fired" appear to be largely the authors' ideas derived from watching the show. Trump rarely explains in the kind of detail found in these explanations why he fires someone. At most, he might cite one determining factor, such as Penn Jillette being responsible for a slogan the sponsors disliked. Much more care needs to be taken not to inject this kind of original thought into these articles.Samtha25 (talk) 05:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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