Talk:Tales of the Otori

Revert

I reverted some of the changes by 207.203.80.20 because the user removed many relevant wiki links and deleted a character from the list. If 207.203.80.20 has a reason for these edits, please let me know so we can discuss them. --NealT 20:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Movie?

Should someone put in the fact that a movie of the series is currently being worked on? You can find this info out on Lian Hearn's website, under one of her interviews.

The Hidden - not actually Christian

The article implies that the Hidden religion represents Christianity, but it is not so. Outlined in the fourth book, foreigners appear (apparently from Spain or Portugal or similar) who appear to worship Christianity, which is described as remarkably similar to the Hidden faith, but not the same and with a few significant differences.

Granted, I've only read the first three books, but wouldn't that make the Hidden the Otori-verse equivalent of these people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakure_Kirishitan ? And more specifically of the branches who did not return to mainstream Christian practices when persecution ceased? Derringdo 22:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)derringdo

"Tomasu" is said to be the name of a great leader of the Hidden in times past - and because no foreigners came to the Three Countries before the fourth book, the Hidden are probably meant to be followers of St. Thomas of Aquinas, a disciple who was meant to have visited Japan in 54 AD. So, Christianity had been in the country for thousands of years, long before the Christians from Portugal visited. They had plenty of time to make differences. Bronzey 05:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Aquinas was a medieval religious figure and not a missionary, the Thomas you're thinking of is more likely St. Thomas the Apostle (the doubting chap in the accounts of the Resurrection), described by certain legends as having been a missionary to India and points further east Derringdo 20:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, that must be him. Bronzey 12:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been doing some research, and I've found out that there were Quakers in Japan around the time this novel refers to take place in. So I'm sort of stuck on the Hidden being Quakers —Preceding unsigned comment added by BaconBoy914 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Quotes

Anyone feel like uploading some Quotes Cause we all know theres a few ! Or should i just leave it to myself ??

'just as the river is always at the door, so is the world always outside. And it is in the world that we have to live.' - Otori Shigeru  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 09416587girl (talk • contribs) 01:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC) 

Plot

The plot section is only relevant to the first book. It needs lengthanning... If i still had the books I would do it. However i dont so the task falls upon some one else... GO!

(RuSTy1989 17:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC))

Also it says that Takeo is the narrator but Kaede also has her own chapters and voice.... she would not be pleased to be unacknowledged ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 09416587girl (talk • contribs) 01:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Synopsis

I have altered the reference to "putting dogs and men asleep", to "putting dogs and humans asleep". A small semantic point, but one which (in the unedited version) would seem to imply that putting women to sleep is not one of Takeo's talents. Takeo used his sleep talent on Kaede in one of the final chapters of Across the Nightingale Floor.

(veracity-or-mendacity 11:20, 15 Novemeber 2006 (AEST))

Synopsis changed

I've just changed the last sentence of this synopsis that they said "Kotaro ends up dead after he cuts off Takeo's lower left hand."

to "Kotaro ends up dead after he cuts off Takeo's lower right hand." :It was said that in the fourth book.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Francvien (talk • contribs) 09:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

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korean translation

are the books translated in korean? Steve92341 (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was no consensus. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 23:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

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@Metebelis, NealT, and Lady-shirakawa: I propose merging all the individual books in the series into this page. They're all just glorified plot summaries with zero sources, and I don't really see a reason for them to have their own pages. --HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Since the articles have no sources, a merge sounds good to me. I added a reception section and cleaned this page up a bit. (Btw, the tagged users don't appear to be active, so I'm not sure if they'll respond.) Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 10:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose as all titles each have multiple reviews, meet WP:NBOOK, and are entitled to standalone articles. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• I mean, I see you added some reviews to Across the Nightingale Floor, but the others still have no sources or reviews on their pages. If there are reliable sources that can support them being noteworthy, then that's great, but as it is, I don't see how these pages don't fall into WP:PLOT. --HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 18:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• another excuse to get rid of wikinotable articles:), personally i like to bring up WP:ARTN - "Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing [or in these cases no referencing yet (boxed commentary added here by coola)] within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability.", btw Grass for His Pillow is now referenced (and another unreferenced article bites the dust, only another 150th+ to go:)). Coolabahapple (talk) 16:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• another excuse to get rid of wikinotable articles:)

• What? Not sure what this is supposed to mean.
• I understand WP:ARTN, but not sure how that applies here. You'd still need reliable sources to show that the works are notable eventually - that's the whole point of Wikipedia, after all. It needs to be possible to verify this kind of thing. Since this article and the individual book articles are mostly plot summary, I just think it makes sense to combine them all for a more cohesive whole. As someone who is not familiar with this series, I didn't really understand any of the content on the sequel books, since they assume familiarity with the earlier books. IMO, it would flow better and make more sense as one thing. --HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 17:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.