Talk:Stoicheia

Stoicheia was not referenced or researched properly before deletion

Stoicheia is currently redirecting to the ancient mathematical book "Euclid's Elements". The archive deletion page mentions a music synthesizer named "Stoicheia" (an alternative name for "Euclid's Elements"). There are a few websites and recently written books (cataloged in Google Books) referencing "Euclid's Elements" as also being known as "Stoicheia" - "in Greek" - just as the Wikipedia page says. This looks suspicious for incorrect info onto Wikipedia is getting recycled elsewhere, perhaps originated from the synth company.

"Euclid's Elements" is not readily known as "Stoicheia". In Ancient Greek, "elements" does translate to Στοιχεῖα or στοιχεῖα, and that word is "Stoicheia" (or "Stoicheion") but it's akin to calling the book in English "Elements" - Euclid's name is part of the book title. For example, "ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΩΝ ΕΥΚΛΕΙΔΟΥ" (alternatively "STOICHEÍA EUKLEIDES") is the available Ancient Greek translation book title. (In Google Translate, "ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΩΝ" - and its alternative Ancient Greek spelling - also translated to "data".)

The redirect to "Euclid's Elements" should not be the sole reference for "Stoicheia/Stoicheion". It should have its own wikipage under ["See Also" under "Element".] It should be removed from deletion.

"Stoicheia" has specific meaning when studying very early Christianity (i.e. Paul) and Ancient Greek language, especially in scholar research. This is removed from Euclid's books and traditional meaning of "elements". The concept of "Stoicheia" as "heavenly bodies" gets further expansion into biblical philosophy. The book "Practices of Power: Revisiting the Principalities and Powers in the Pauline Letters" By Robert Ewusie Moses "Robert+Ewusie+Moses" (free ebook) speaks at great length to the subject. Yale provides a lecture series that frequently discuss Stoicheia and Christianity, for example Paul's Disciples Lecture. (One of many times in the lecture series). There are additional science and math areas of discussion rooted in the word/meaning as well.

Additional information to support an independent "Stoichia" and related spellings page is:

1. The Jewish Testament of Solomon
2. στοιχεῖον on wiktionary.
3. stoicheion
4. Art Installation Portland (and more info on the Stoicheia/Elements Exhibit).
5. Stoicheion
6. Essay Paul's Usage of ta stoicheia tou kosmou
7. (Research Paper) Plato’s use of the term stoicheion. Origin and implications
8. (Page 1088) Theological Dictionary of the New Testament: Abridged in One Volume edited by Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, Geoffrey W. Bromiley
9. Lectures on the Science of Language By Friedrich Max Müller (Page 78)
10. Stoichiometry Definition in Chemistry

Roxanne-snowden (talk) 09:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Roxanne-snowden: — The use of the author's name in "Euclid's Stoicheia" is not essentially different from that seen in "Tolstoy's War and Peace". See, for example, the use here at the bottom of the left column. Of course, sometimes the title of a book has a meaning that is independent of the book; when discussing Ridley Pearson's Undercurrents,^[1] it may be necessary to identify the author if not already clear from the contents. In such cases we may have a disambiguation page, and indeed, there is a page Undercurrents that starts with "Undercurrents may refer to:". Per MOS:DABBLUE, each entry on a disambiguation page must have exactly one navigable (blue) link. That means that for every potential different meaning of "stoicheion" or "stoicheia" we must already have an article discussing it. There are indeed some candidates. Hippocrates of Chios also wrote a book known as Stoicheia that is thought to have been a model for Euclid. The section Classical element § Ancient Greece tells us that Plato used the term stoicheîon. Not much, really, but you are welcome to start a disambiguation page Stoicheion (disambiguation), which should start with "Stoicheion or stoicheia may refer to:". Then the page Euclid's Elements could get a hatnote {{Redirect|Stoicheia|Stoicheion (disambiguation)}}.  --Lambiam 07:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)