Talk:Stevie Nicks/Archive 1

Archive 1

CLOTHING LINKS

This site is not a bill board for you to post your flyer on. This is a formal article, and should not be brought down by your advertising. Your link will be removed everytime you post it. Please stop. --71.105.109.214 20:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

POV

This article reads like a fan page or a press release.--12.162.189.80 19:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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Someone might want to add to the pop culture section. There was a punk song with the lyrics "sit on my face, Stevie Nicks" which might be worth mentioning. I don't have time to look it up right now. I was using this page to teach me how to do music tables for another project I was working on. --Kit 20:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, The Rotters was a band from Ventura County, CA...

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Spam link

I removed a link to a site selling "Stevie Nicks style" clothes and jewelry (enchantedmirror . com), since it obviously did not belong per WP:EL. Several anonymous IP addresses have been trying to add it back without discussion, so please remove it if it is re-added. Wmahan. 19:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Voice

What do you think of making a section on her voice?

Let's not. --Soetermans 18:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Blindness

I've often heard that Nicks has very poor eyesight and may well be legally blind; surely this should be mentioned if it is true. (And if it is not, it's a common enough belief about her that should be debunked.) I haven't found anything conclusive about this, so if there's someone who can document this, please do so.  ProhibitOnions  ^(T) 20:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think Wikipedia was in the business of debunking myths, but if you feel so strongly about it, go ahead and add it to the article. --HughL ^[talk?]/_[contribs] •  05:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Read my post again. Is she near-blind or isn't she? If she is, it belongs in the article. I do not feel strongly about Stevie Nicks, and would prefer that someone else who knows the subject matter better add this information.  ProhibitOnions  ^(T) 07:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

According to this interview, Nicks' eyesight was indeed poor, but "legally blind" would imply that she could barely see even with corrective lenses, which seems not to be the case. That article mentions her switching to semi-permanent contact lenses (it sounds like she switched to those right around the time of the plagiarism court case over her song "Sara"), and many interviews mention her need for "unflattering glasses" in the past. She also apparently had some sort of eye surgery in the 90s, presumably so she wouldn't need the contacts anymore. This fan's account (a couple of years after the eye surgery) indicates that Nicks must still wear reading glasses, however. - Carolyn81 18:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Betty Ford twice?

This article makes it sound like Stevie went to Betty Ford twice for cocaine addiction. According to any interview I have seen with her, she claims that she had to make it through the "Rock A Little" tour before she could go to rehab. There should be some clarity in the writing as there seems to be some confusion with her time with Dylan & Petty in Australia vs. her Rock A Little tour ending in Australia and then the start of her stint at Betty Ford. Also, the straw, roadie and anal consumption of cocaine has NEVER been substantiated. In fact, Nicks says that this completely untrue. Therefore, those statements do not have a place in a Wikipedia article. 207.200.116.10 06:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The second time she went into rehab was to kick her addiction to Klonopin, a tranquilizer. - Carolyn81 06:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The Betty Ford episode happened towards the end of the tour. She continued the RAL tour after her stay in the facility, including the Australia dates. It has been suggested that there were actually two rehab episodes for cocaine, but this hasn't been substantiated. And, you can't always go by what Stevie Nicks says in interviews. Often, her stories are inconsistent or emblished, or details glossed over.

University of Southern California

I heard from somewhere that she went to USC and was in the marching band and thats why they were on the song "Tusk". Any validity to that.

--I have never heard that. I'm an avid Stevie Nicks fan and do alot of reading and have never read anything even mentioning that. --71.105.109.214 06:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I am also a fan of Stevie Nicks and know pretty much everthing there is to no about her. Stevie went to several high schools which are Arcadia High School and Menlo-Atherton High School where she met Lyndsey. She went to San Jose State College. She has never been in a band. This is something I got from a site The University of Southern California marching band played on this. Mick Fleetwood decided to use a big brass sound after a visit to Europe in 1978 where he saw brass bands marching down the street. The band thought it would be a good idea to hire a band to play their intro music at concerts, and this idea developed into the USC band recording this at Dodger Stadium.

James Brown Sux Reference

New to this, but there is a reference at the bottom of the article "James Brown Sux.....". Not sure how to edit this out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeric39 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

--I don't see this. --71.105.109.214 20:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Is this album 'missing'

Hello...I'm not a Nicks fan so I'll leave it to those 'that know' to deal with this...

ArtistDirect.com (which I find comprehensive) has the followinig album listed but is isn't in the Wiki page:

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,202122,00.html?src=search

????

KsprayDad 13:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That album is not considered a major album. The same thing happened with Fleetwood Mac's Mirage Tour DVD, it was excluded because it didnt make a big enough impact to be noticed. If you feel strongly about it then somebody can add it to the list. Gunis del 06:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

On the last paragraph of "Personal Life", someone put that they didn't like and stupid stuff! Wikipedia is not a personal journal for your opinion thoughts like that, it's considered vandalism, please do not that again. (Trampton 05:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)).

Cocaine, Novel method of ingestion

It's a well known fact that she used to have a novel method of ingesting cocaine which comprised of a roadie blowing cocaine into her rectal canal. However i can't find a credible link to this story, is it worth noting? It is part of Rock and Roll history. Hermangelmet 11:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

if it was a "well known fact" you'd be able to find a link to something on the subject. It's an urban legend. Thedarxide 14:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)It is not true. Rumors spread like wild fires. Remember when they said Richard Gere put gerbils up his rectum. This is just one of the many rumors out there. Stevie only snorted cocaine

Nicks responds to this rumor here. Most versions of the rumor claim that it was because of her "destroyed nasal passages" that she had to do it that way. Nicks has certainly admitted that there was a hole in her nose, even describing its size. She says, however, that she had no idea about the hole until urged by a friend to see a plastic surgeon in 1985, who informed her of the hole, and the danger of cerebral hemmorage if she continued to use cocaine. According to this article, once she had finished touring after learning this, she checked into Betty Ford and has been coke-free ever since.

She does say she did a "tiny, little bit" of cocaine before that tour was over, but she says she "had to be very careful", which may imply that she continued to use nasal snorting as her method of ingestion up until she quit completely. Of course, it could also imply to some that there is truth to the rumor.

Unless one were to find reliable eyewitness accounts from several people of this "novel method of ingestion", I doubt anyone will ever know one way or another what the real truth was.

I would argue that it is certainly worth mentioning in the article, simply because so many people have heard it. I doubt this rumor will ever die, but at least if it can be written about here from a neutral point of view, then the rumor and its associated sensationalism can at the very least be discouraged. - Carolyn81 19:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha ha, I seriously doubt that such a method is even possible. Try holding an empty bottle sideways and blowing some powder into it; it won't go inside, it'll just blow back out toward you. Urban legend.--72.150.38.54 (talk) 00:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Breast Implants, and Chronic Fatigue / Epstein-Barr Syndrome

Nicks had breast augmentation surgery in 1976. The silicone implants were, however, to give her problems later in life. Plagued by chronic fatigue and persistent malaise, Nicks believed the implants to have broken, blaming them for her declining health and consulted numerous physicians in order to prove (?) her theory. After several test results proved negative, against medical advice Nicks had the implants surgically removed. It subsequently transpired that the implants had indeed been broken.¹

Due to the high levels of silicone left in her bloodstream by the implants Nicks spent the next year in and out of hospital, as well as making several visits to acupuncturists and undergoing numerous sessions with cleansing IV drips to remove the toxic silicone from her blood.² Reflecting in 2004 Nicks remarked "It was truly awful...I'd advise against having them"³

The notion that silicone implants (anywhere in the body) cause chronic fatigue is completely unscientific and without any foundation. Numerous careful scientific medical studies have shown no connection between the two. Also, silicone materials are inert in the human body and in other animals. [Silicones are definitely not "toxic", and the idea that they are is someone's scientifically-illiterate daydream.] We are a carbon-based lifeform, and silicones consist of long chains of alternating silicon & oxygen atoms, tightly bound together, and non-reactive with biochemical compounds. They are just as inert as titanium and its alloys are. [The danger that silicones can present is that blobs of can break loose and float to where they become lodged in small arteries, such as in the brain, the lungs, the heart, and the kidneys. That is why doctors no longer inject liquid silicones into women's breasts - and in fact, that practice had been illegal for years.]
Furthermore, the terms "chronic fatigue" and "persistent malaise" are synonymous with each other, and so it is redundant to write both of them down.
Also, their is lots of difference between proving a theory and endeavoring to find evidence that supports it. It is quite common to try to find evidence that supports a theory or hypothesis - and then, finding none or very little, the notion must be discarded of.
Please take your unscientific thinking elsewhere, and also do endeavor to learn something about science and correct reasoning.Dale101usa (talk) 18:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[1] iVillage interview, May 2001
[2] iVillage interview, May 2001
[3] The Australian Women's Weekly interview, March 2004

86.146.80.118 13:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Stand Back EP and iTunes

I recently found out that a "Stand Back EP" has been released onto iTunes. Does anybody think that should be mentioned or should that be left out for now? 24.58.27.202 00:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I added that Stevie Nicks currently holds the 14 spot on the dance club play chart with "Stand Back".

This should all go into the Crystal Visions - The Very Best of Stevie Nicks article. "Stand Back" is the album's first (?) single. - Carolyn81 18:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry

Does anyone know what's her ancestry? She looks like she might have native american ancestry?

Nicks mentions some of her ancestry (German) here. If you go to Ancestry.com and search for Stephanie Nicks, you'll see a result from their OneWorldTree. Unfortunately, you have to have a membership to view it, but you can also see it if you take the free three-day trial. I haven't checked it out myself, though. - Carolyn81 21:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Carolyn.

Fair use rationale for Image:Nicks3355.jpg

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Infobox Vandalism, Forthcoming Edit

The infobox listed Stevie's birth name as Andrew Hajian and birth date as January 20, 1987. I have corrected it. I will be submitting a major edit soon to help give the article an encyclopedic tone. If vandalism like this is frequent enough, perhaps the article should be protected or semi-protected for a while?

P.S. Sorry for the lack of signature in the above comment. - Carolyn81 02:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Not bisexual....

I just noticed a couple of sentences in the "personal life" section claiming that Nicks has said she is bisexual. In this interview however, she specifically says she is not bisexual. If anyone can find citations for this then OK, but otherwise it seems like someone added that to be mean or start a rumor or something. It should be removed from the article in that case.... - Carolyn81 09:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah cause being bi is such a bad thing *rolls eyes* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.181.223 (talk) 00:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Good or bad is irrelevant. If it's not true, it shouldn't be there. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, indeed - the important things are the truth, and the verifiable truth, and not things that are inaccurate, or merely a matter of opinion.Dale101usa (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Too Long

Hi, I really think that there is a lot of information in here that is not needed. The stalker part is competely out of place, and I am not really sure if her fleetwood mac albums should be included because her solo career had nothing to do with Fleetwood Mac, does anyone else agree? 24.58.76.115 05:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Kyle

There's a balance between duplicating content and ignoring or minimising major elements of her career. FMac should definitely be discussed, but not duplicated, except elements relating to Fmac and their work that are material to Nicks herself (issues relating to writing, behaviour during recording, performance etc). But I haven't looked at the article in a while, I don't know how much could (or should) be trimmed. The stalker thing, well, why do you think it's out of place? Anchoress 06:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, just a Wikipedia user here, but I have to agree that this article is simply too wordy. There's way too much information provided, even compared to some country pages!!68.50.124.43 (talk) 12:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

What about 1975?

For all the detail that is in this article, there seems to be a big leap between the end of the "Buckingham Nicks" section and the beginning of the "Rumours" section. Of course a lot of that would be duplicative of the history of Fleetwood Mac, but it would be nice to know how, for example, Stevie was accepted into Fleetwood Mac, and how their first album as an integrated group came to be. I do remember that that self-titled album took a year to get to the top of the Billboard Top 200 album chart. Some detail about Stevie during this time would be much appreciated. Typofixer76 01:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Visits to wounded soldiers

A childhood friend of mine is in Walter Reed hospital after being gravely injured in Iraq. A few days after he was admitted, Nicks visited him, talked with him for a while and gave him a fully loaded Ipod. The staff told his parents that she has been doing this for every wounded soldier who comes there. Has anyone else heard of this? If an RS can be found it should definitely be in the article -- it's far more noteworthy than an interminable list of TV shows that have mentioned her. Perodicticus 10:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

My wife works as a nurse at Walter Reed and she just called me to tell me that Stevie Nicks was there giving out the loaded up ipods. Stevie's been there the last 2 days and plans to come back in October. She's done this many times in the past too. I can't find an RS on this though... Spiffypants 10:30, 29 August 2007

~i guess i may be late on this but, there is info on this Ipod thing on her personal website...NicksFix.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.161.201.30 (talk) 19:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Memorial Day, 1983

I don't know when the US Festival was held in 1983, but in the U.S., May 3rd IS NOT Memorial Day. Memorial Day was the held on the 30th of May until a 1971 law about holidays changed it so that Memorial Day would be "observed" "the last Monday in May" in order to create a three day weekend (also President's Day, etc.). See http://www.usmemorialday.org/backgrnd.html

In 1983 the last Monday happened to be May 30th. Ileanadu 18:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)ileanadu

Silent Night

This was not in the article, so... Did she do a Christmas song - "Silent Night"? I just heard it on the radio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.177.111.36 (talk) 18:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

She has a version of "Silent Night" on A Very Special Christmas (album) released in 1987. She also performed the song some years back at a televised benefit concert (maybe 1998 or so). - carolyn⁸¹ (user • talk) 03:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

go your own way

who wrote this song i think it was Stevie with linsey help her with it please help i need proof thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.118.12 (talk) 03:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

"Go Your Own Way" was written by Lindsey Buckingham. --96.247.101.238 (talk) 04:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

He's the one singing it, so, yeah, most likely. --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Needs List!!

I was shocked and amazed at the lack of NPOV, style, and even a semblance of a basic timeline here! Perhaps I'm being too optimistic, but this could easily be cleaned up and made an excellent article! What's up with this?! --leahtwosaints (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The Idea of a Section on Future Plans Is Loco

The notion of having a section on "Future Plans" is a loco one - because this is supposed to be an encyclopedia of verifiable knowledge of things and events - and as such, "Future Plans" are completely irrelavent here, since the future is always in a state of change / unpredictability. Plans are always evanescent.
For example, Richard Nixon's plans for the rest of his second term as the President of the United States are irrelevant, and aren't documented here, since those plans never came to pass. They didn't have a chance, since Nixon resigned from the Presidency in 1974, well-before the end of his term.Dale101usa (talk) 18:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Section about work with other artists?

By this I mean backing vocals and duets. Generally, I wouldn't feel it necessary to include a section about this, but because Stevie has recorded with so many other musicians - John Stewart, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and Sheryl Crow to name a few, surely it would be informative to include a section about this? Any thoughts? --Laceandpaperflowers (talk) 23:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Vocal Range

Just as HER article does for Christine McVie, this article says Stevie's vocal range is "contralto." Unless contralto covers a great deal of ground, they can't both be contraltos. Chrissy's voice is very different and her range seems to be centered at a different point. 76.28.103.69 (talk) 22:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven76.28.103.69 (talk) 22:32, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

There are a couple of citations linked from Stevie's article that back up the claim that her vocal range is contralto. If you can find a reliable source that says what Christine's vocal range is, you can add it to the Christine McVie article. For now, I have added a "citation needed" flag to the Christine McVie article.- carolyn⁸¹ (user • talk) 23:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

-- Contralto does not just regard range, but also tone of voice and texture. Both Christine and Stevie seem to be more comfortable singing lower notes, and both of their voices have a rich, deep tone associated with contraltos. However, Christine has a wider range than Stevie. 79.64.250.72 (talk) 07:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Side Note: Excessive bias within the article

Whoever has wrote this article (particularly when discussing the later years of Stevie Nicks' career) has added so much personal opinion it becomes a little hard to read. This article could be extremely informative, as there is so much documented on Nicks' life and work, but instead it's filled with comments from Wikipedia such as "citation needed" and "original research?". For example, it may be obvious to a fan when listening to Nicks' work that her voice has gained a nasal quality, lost some range etc. but how is that relevant? It's clear if you listen to her songs. Surely someone could rewrite parts of this article, with the appropriate media reports etc., and create a very good article that informs the reader in an impartial style, and is not biased to the opinions of fans or critics? --Laceandpaperflowers (talk) 00:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Be Bold and fix the problems you have identified. You have the ability to fix problems yourself. A new name 2008 (talk) 01:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well i still haven't heard her later stuff, so no i didn't get to notice the change in her voice, so such stuff is informative to me. --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Yahoo! interview

Where's this Yahoo! interview? Was it in Yahoo! magazine or online? Family Guy Guy (talk) 13:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Lucrezia Santini

Blackbird, Rhiannon, Midnight Special video performance mystical magical audience difficult to find, and well worth it. Haven't checked Buffy buster or bookstores, but had wondered about all the productions... Ms. Nicks seems like more of a Shaman to me, but languages and translations evolve, according to the voice of the people... peace. J.F.K., Nixon, Patton, Poe. starcharms ****75.201.20.42 (talk) 20:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

A New Album and Other Projects: 2010  ????

This section is just a rambling sentence about various twitter updates. This is a great article, needs some work, but this section is just horrible !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.104.172 (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Well fix it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.87.69 (talk) 05:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

The composer/songwriter

Hey peeps in the know i'd like to find in this article some insight on how she comes up with songs : is she mostly a lyricist, or a composer ? I suppose both, since her songs are not attributed to anyone else, that i noticed. So then, does she start off with the lyrics and put music to it, like Elton John does with the lyrics provided to him, or the other way around ? Does she play an instrument, although not on stage ? If not, then how does she come up with the full orchestration of her melody ? I mean i don't wonder so much the same concerning Christine McVie or Lindsey Buckingham, since they are both instrumentalists. --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Generally, she would compose lyrics while forming rudimentary chords and melodies on a piano, or occasionally a guitar. For Fleetwood Mac songs, these demos were fleshed out by Buckingham, with occasional input from Christine McVie. Nicks got final say in how the songs were to sound, but that sound was generally created by Buckingham, though he was never credited as a co-writer. Her solo stuff was usually fleshed out by her co-writers or back-up musicians. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That's very much what i imagined, and it makes complete sense. I'll have to check out her solo stuff at some point. Such information would do well in the article body (if sourced, of course). --Jerome Potts (talk) 18:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone redirected this article to Goat and I reverted it, but now it says REDIRECT Goat at the top of the page and I'm not entirely sure how to remove that, as it doesn't show up in the source. Sorry about that. Jenrzzz (talk) 09:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the goat issue. That was strange. Jenrzzz (talk) 09:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

A younger photo request

1979 was 33 years ago at this writing. Is it possible to include a photo of her from this era? She is, after all, a frontwoman, and her image is important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.88.143.1 (talk) 14:25, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I found some freely licensed ones I could upload if everyone is okay with it...--Amandallc (talk) 04:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. Any more? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 10:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

There actually are a few more. I uploaded a couple more recent ones to Wikimedia Commons, as well as a couple more from the 70s era. I'll add a couple more to the bio.--Amandallc (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 08:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

You know that "I found some freely licensed" means: you found some files that anyone can reuse anywhere, anytime for every purpose including money making purposes? The files you found are actually published under a Creative Commons license with a non-commercial restriction. This means: the files you found are not freely license. The license you added on Wikimedia Commons was wrong, its not commons:Template:Cc-by-sa-2.0 as you say but commons:Template:cc-by-nc-sa-2.0. --Martin H. (talk) 12:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I was given permission by the photographer to post them. I'll ask him to change the license...I thought it was under the freely shared.--Amandallc (talk) 05:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

One picture was reviewed and accepted. I'll post it to the page. Thanks for taking the time to try to add photos. The licenses for these things can be confusing. --Alwaysaparadox (talk) 23:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

She spent her adolescence listening to Janis Joplin records?

Joplin's first LP, with Big Brother and the Holding Company, came out when she was 19. We can quibble over the definition of "adolescence", but about 95% of hers was spent doing something other than listening to Janis Joplin records, which didn't exist yet. 50.200.41.134 (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

It now reads thus:
She spent her adolescence playing records constantly, and existing in her "own little musical world". She joined her first band, "The Changing Times", while attending Arcadia High School in Arcadia, California.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 18:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

witch rumors (media reference)

In the Harry Potter parody in Treehouse of Horror XII, Lord Montymort (Montgomery Burns) says that Lisa Simpson is "witchier than Stevie Nicks"... AnonMoos (talk) 01:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

1975-78:Fleetwood Mac and Rumours section. Re:Silver Springs.

Paragraph five, sentence two reads,"Nicks had also written and recorded the song "Silver Springs", but it was ultimately not included on the album because of space limitations for studio albums on vinyl records,which were limited to 24 minutes per side."

It seems to me that time constraints may not have been the only reason, if the real reason at all, for not including "Silver Springs" on "Rumours". I 'm not challenging the 24 minute limit. The Wikipedia article on L.P. records makes it clear that a 24 minute limit would be desirable for audio quality and/or technical reasons.

There is only one reference, at the end of the paragraph, for a fan site and link. (nicksfix.com/offtherecord.htm) The link contains a transcript from a radio interview with Nicks decades after the "Rumours" sessions. What is in the transcript doesn't quite match the above quote. In The interview Nicks says "Well, their reasons are, it was too long, and so, without asking me… or telling me… they recorded I Don’t Want to Know…. and put Silver Springs on the back of Go Your Own Way…. which was probably one of the most devastating things anybody has ever done to me in my life…."

Hmmmm. Earlier in the interview Nicks talks about the collaborative process of the band taking one of her songs and working on it to be recorded in the studio. Apparently, and she implies this, the song was set to be included on the album. ( the Wiki article on "Rumours" also states this. ) Seems to me the time issue would have come up at some point before the decision to include the song on the album. The running time for side one of "Rumours" ( per my copy, U.S. release 1977 ) is 19 minutes, 24 seconds, so a edited or re-recorded version of the song at around 4 minutes could have easily been included on the record on side one without any deletions of other songs. The 2004 C.D. release has the song after "Songbird", which could have been done as well in 1977 on side one of the L.P. with an edited or re-recorded version and been within the 24 minute limitation. ( Original studio version of "Silver Springs" is 4:48 as given in the "Rumours" Wiki article for the album. The Live version released as a single from "The Dance" in 1997 is 4:29 as given in the Wiki article for "Silver Springs". )

I accept the 24 minute limit for L.P. sides as an industry standard, and I believe the decision to include "Silver Springs" on "Rumours" had been made and later changed, and I believe an edited or re-recorded version of the song could have been included on the album within the 24 minute limitation, so then the 24 minute limitation as the only explanation for deletion of the song from "Rumours" in this article, just does not suffice for me, especially in light of what Nicks says in the interview from the reference given, and the more than four minutes that was available on side one of "Rumours".

The time constraint reason is repeated in the Wiki article for the song. The reference given there is for the 1997 Documentary of the making of the album, which I have not seen and, may give a satisfactory explanation.

Without a creditable reference to support the assertion that the song was excluded from "Rumours" solely because of the time constraints of L.P. records, it should be removed. I think a paraphrasing of what is said in the Wiki article on "Rumours" should be good enough for this article. "Silver Springs" (4:48), a song written by Nicks, was recorded at the same sessions and intended for inclusion on Rumours. It was eventually released as the B-side of "Go Your Own Way" and has been restored to later reissues of the album.

Also the last sentence of paragraph five in this section states, "The song, the rights to which are owned by Nicks' late mother Barbara...

There is nothing about Nicks Mother owing the rights to the song in the text the reference links to, this too should be referenced from a creditable source or removed.Jonel469 (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Good analysis and conclusion. The issues you bring up make me think that the issue needs more references telling about it rather than more contemplation on our part. Here's what I found out about "Silver Springs" in books:

• Rumours Exposed: The Unauthorized Biography of Fleetwood Mac, page 203
• Billboard, August 16, 1997
• Making Rumours: The Inside Story of the Classic Fleetwood Mac Album, pages 294–297. In this book, the engineer Ken Caillat says that the producer wanted to stay under 22 minutes per side (which would allow a higher quality sound with a deeper and wider groove than 24 minutes). Caillat puts the location as the Record Plant in Hollywood, not the one in Sausalito. He confirms that Nicks was unhappy, but he says she recorded a really good performance despite her bad reaction. Binksternet (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank You very much. Jonel469 (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Caillat also says there was a concern that the album would have too many slow songs. To me, that seems like the real reason for kicking out "Silver Springs", because its replacement was a fast song. The difference in time between the two songs is 3:16 versus 4:26, so only 70 seconds. Side Two runs about 20:02, plus some between-song silence, so the longer song would still have been less than 22:00 total. "Silver Springs" could have fit! Caillat describes how everybody but Nicks was happy about having the faster song in place of "Silver Springs". Binksternet (talk) 17:34, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I've changed sentence two and added one of the references you provided, and also removed the bit about song ownership from the last sentence. Jonel469 (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I was just reading the preface of "Making Rumours" and on page xiv Mr. Caillat says ..."all came together to create Rumours at the record plant in Sausalito", but then on 294 talks about it being hot in Hollywood, so looks like both Record Plants were used ? Jonel469 (talk) 18:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, both Record Plants were used. The northern one in Sausalito was used for tracking. The southern one in Hollywood was used for mixing, and for recording all of the replacement song "I Don't Want to Know". Just for absolute clarity, the first Record Plant was in New York City, but it was never visited by Nicks or Fleetwood Mac. Binksternet (talk) 23:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Kim Anderson

Infobox says marriage to Kim Anderson was 82-82 but Personal Life section says married in '83... anyone able to confirm which it is and correct it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.215.73 (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

I am proposing that the song Blue Denim be merged into this article. The current article on the song does not appear to have significant reliable independent sources to demonstrate its notability, and as per WP:NSONG it seems like the song should be merged into the article about the artist. At least one other editor disagrees with me. Thoughts, anyone? KDS4444^Talk 20:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Here's a thought: why on earth would it be merged here instead of Street Angel (album)? I know that article is pretty bad, but any scraps of trivia information about the song should probably end up at the album article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Good point, my bad. I will rearrange the merger proposal. KDS4444^Talk 05:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

There is a mistake in your information about Stevie Nicks in that she attended Arcadia High school in Arcadia California not Phoenix Arizona!73.92.154.140 (talk) 16:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced nonsense?

Nicks performed in a series of shows in August 2010 (...) They did not contain any of her new music, because she did not want it to end up on YouTube. When Google'ing for this refusal to have her new music on YouTube, I only came up with Wikipedia copycat sites. So can we be sure she actually said that...ever? -andy 2.242.249.182 (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

A solo tour for In Your Dreams began on(...) had no source or citation for it. While it may be true is there anything out there? I looked and found videos from that night but she said nothing about touring. (Loganphil (talk) 08:09, 28 January 2017 (UTC))

Picture

the picture used in her infobox is NOT from 2015...it appears to be from sometime between 2005-2008

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Change Page from Edit to View Source

How do we go about changing this page from basic 'Edit' to 'View Source', so that truly legitimate (maybe) sources may be represented on this wikipedia page. Such a change will give more legitimacy to this page, especially with claims (rightfully) of Stevie being the Queen of Rock n Roll. Please go about doing so if possible.

Like what sources? Queen of Rock n Roll sounds rather subjective. Karst (talk) 12:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Stevie Nicks birthday

In this article it says Nicks was born on May 26, but in the recent biography by Stephen Davis, he says she was born on May 28. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.48.132.115 (talk) 06:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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• "Lindsey Buckingham: 'Fleetwood Mac will be back next year' - NME". nme.com. 30 August 2011.
• "Uncut's 50 greatest lost albums - NME". nme.com. 14 April 2010.
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• Jonze, Tim (12 December 2013). "Fleetwood Mac's Stevie and Christine: 'We were like rock'n'roll nuns'". the Guardian.
• "Fleetwood Mac: 'Everybody was pretty weirded out' – the story of Rumours - Uncut". uncut.co.uk. 29 January 2013.
• "lindsey-buckingham-talks-buckingham-nicks-reissue-i-would-say-yes". wzlx.cbslocal.com.

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Stevie Nicks Guitar?

I'm pretty sure Stevie Nick can play the Guitar, can anyone shed some light? Nasma654 (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Not sure, but probably can. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Instruments

Nicks has played the guitar and piano multiple times. You can find videos of her singing Rhiannon on piano, especially during her cameo in AHS: Coven.