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The last day has seen one or two editors removing a relevant source and piece of information about the show:
| “ | The Southern California craftsman style home lends to the story-line and is featured prominently in the title sequence. Blake, Lindsay (2018-06-18). "The 'Splitting Up Together' House". iamnotastalker. Lena and Martin's house from Splitting Up Together is located at 1947 Oak Street in South Pasadena |
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I'd like to understand the reasoning here ... --evrik (talk) 02:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's not a reliable as it is a non-notable blogger self-published website. — YoungForever(talk) 02:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- The blogger documented the find with photos. It is relevant and topical. --evrik (talk) 03:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'd suggest not adding the information. It looks to be a invasion of privacy of the owners of the property (doxing) even if the details of the address are not given in article, the reference gives the information. Also it really is not appropriate for the premise section. Might be better as part of the Production section if it is kept in the article. Personally I don't see a lot of value to the information. Editorial choice as to whether or not it belongs in the article. When stuff is removed should go for discussion to gain consensus and only put it back if consensus is to do so. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:41, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- This can't be doxing as there is no PII. One would assume that if you let your home be used as the set of a television show or movie you would expect publicity. For example, Back_to_the_Future#Filming and the Gamble House (Pasadena, California) or the Brady house. Look at this site: "Iconic Movie and TV Houses of L.A." LA Weekly. 2014-08-21.. --evrik (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- It is from an unreliable source and also trivial and therefore unnecessary. The address of the house used in the series tells us nothing about the series. That would be like me finding exact information about where a celebrity lives and then putting that on their article. That would just cause trouble for the celebrity. A general location on where somebody resides—state and city—is okay. Exact addresses, no. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have any policy except your gut feelings? The house is itself now notable. It has been also used in other works, like Prom Night (2008 film). --evrik (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- The house has not been shown to be notable. It is used only as an establishing shot in the opening credits. Basically it is just some random house that the location people thought looked good with no significance to the story for choosing that particular house over any other house of similar size. If the location were significant there would sourced commentary on why it matters to the series and some specific information backed by the production people on why they picked the house and why it matters to them. They don't even film there. Someone with a hobby tracked down the source of an exterior shot and published the location. There is nothing else but that. As for why to exclude from the article, WP:INDISCRIMINATE covers it. For an example where location is covered appropriately see Downton Abbey § Locations. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- The house is a central part of the storyline. --evrik (talk) 14:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, it's not. If that were the case, every series' house should be notable. Hint: They're not. It's just a house they're living in, and it's no different than the house the characters live in in Modern Family, The Goldbergs, etc. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:16, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Really? The word house appears five times in the paragraph that describes the show. The difference between this show and say the Goldbergs or Modern Family is that the house isn't in the title sequence, nor is it part of the plot. Thanks for making my point for me. --evrik (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- All the information that matters about the house is shown in the credit sequence. The physical location of the house they used for that shot is irrelevant to the show. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Really? The word house appears five times in the paragraph that describes the show. The difference between this show and say the Goldbergs or Modern Family is that the house isn't in the title sequence, nor is it part of the plot. Thanks for making my point for me. --evrik (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, it's not. If that were the case, every series' house should be notable. Hint: They're not. It's just a house they're living in, and it's no different than the house the characters live in in Modern Family, The Goldbergs, etc. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:16, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- The house is a central part of the storyline. --evrik (talk) 14:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- The house has not been shown to be notable. It is used only as an establishing shot in the opening credits. Basically it is just some random house that the location people thought looked good with no significance to the story for choosing that particular house over any other house of similar size. If the location were significant there would sourced commentary on why it matters to the series and some specific information backed by the production people on why they picked the house and why it matters to them. They don't even film there. Someone with a hobby tracked down the source of an exterior shot and published the location. There is nothing else but that. As for why to exclude from the article, WP:INDISCRIMINATE covers it. For an example where location is covered appropriately see Downton Abbey § Locations. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have any policy except your gut feelings? The house is itself now notable. It has been also used in other works, like Prom Night (2008 film). --evrik (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- It is from an unreliable source and also trivial and therefore unnecessary. The address of the house used in the series tells us nothing about the series. That would be like me finding exact information about where a celebrity lives and then putting that on their article. That would just cause trouble for the celebrity. A general location on where somebody resides—state and city—is okay. Exact addresses, no. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- This can't be doxing as there is no PII. One would assume that if you let your home be used as the set of a television show or movie you would expect publicity. For example, Back_to_the_Future#Filming and the Gamble House (Pasadena, California) or the Brady house. Look at this site: "Iconic Movie and TV Houses of L.A." LA Weekly. 2014-08-21.. --evrik (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'd suggest not adding the information. It looks to be a invasion of privacy of the owners of the property (doxing) even if the details of the address are not given in article, the reference gives the information. Also it really is not appropriate for the premise section. Might be better as part of the Production section if it is kept in the article. Personally I don't see a lot of value to the information. Editorial choice as to whether or not it belongs in the article. When stuff is removed should go for discussion to gain consensus and only put it back if consensus is to do so. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:41, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- The blogger documented the find with photos. It is relevant and topical. --evrik (talk) 03:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Once again, this is akin to Back to the Future#Filming and the Gamble House (Pasadena, California), the Brady house, A Nightmare on Elm Street#Filming, Happy Days#Sets, American Horror Story: Murder House#Filming, etc. etc. The house and its location have lives of their own. --evrik (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Then create a location subsection under production in the article. Populate it with well-referenced statements from the production people on why they picked this particular house over some other and why this particular house mattered to them. Get more information on other locations used in the series, where the interior shots were done. Show why this is notable and not just throw-away trivia. What we have now is one fact out of any context. It may be useful as part of a larger more complete narrative but by itself has no value to this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Both User:IJBall and Geraldo Perez have suggested creating a filming section. I don't think it's a bad compromise. --evrik (talk) 18:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)