Talk:Spec racing

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus for move — æk^Talk 01:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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Spec racing → one-make racing — It may be known as spec racing to the US, but it is universially known as one-make racing to non-US English speaking people, example of this is have I ever heard a non-American refer the Renault Clio Cup or Porsche Supercup as spec racing, unless they are American themselves. In short, this word is too US centric. Donnie Park (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:ENGVAR. TJ Spyke 20:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

First what is the difference between spac racing and one-make racing, in the UK, they call it one-make racing, I also assume rest of the world also calls it that. I have never heard the term spec racing until now (because of the existance of this article) as it is considered to be an American term, which is an obscure term to non-Americans. Donnie Park (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose it is not called "one-make racing" in Canada. 76.66.197.17 (talk) 08:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

But then, what about the world, have you considered that. Donnie Park (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

You didn't when you said it was only the US. 76.66.197.17 (talk) 05:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

...or in that case North America, if not your neighbour. Do those outside there call it spec racing, also what does the Germans, Dutch, French, Australians or Japanese call it? I don't think they ever call it spec racing at all, neither does the British/Irish...we never call series such as the Clio Cup, Carrera Cup, Ginetta Cup spec racing ever. Donnie Park (talk) 12:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

• Comment this article needs more information to distinguish it from Formula racing. 76.66.197.17 (talk) 08:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

A prominent picture of Mazda MX-5's doesn't make it obvious enough? --Falcadore (talk) 08:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Text with references works a lot better. Not everyone can identify vehicles from a picture. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

No, since Formula racing is a racing series that has to conform to a formula (ie. a specification). (Well... there's Formula D, which isn't a true formula racing, since it's using "Formula" for promotional reasons, without having a formula); and several series use the name "Formula" which are not open-cockpit, but are "one-make" 76.66.197.17 (talk) 05:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

• Agree The article says Spec racing is a type of racing in which all competitors race in nearly identical vehicles. Almost all racing series fall into that category. Is WTCC where all competitors race in nearly identical Super 2000 spec cars spec racing? No because Spec racing is a type of racing in which all competitors race in nearly identical one-make vehicles. and since spec racing as it is meant in the article is one-make racing it should be merged into one-make racing --Chris Ssk _talk 18:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
• Note. There is no article at one-make racing, it is a redirect and has been one for two years. I leaning towards redirecting one-make racing to this article. It sounds like this is a WP:ENGVAR discussion at this point. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Before you consider WP:ENGVAR and vote oppose, are you trying to say we should consider American wording viewpoint over international viewpoint. I had a check on the three linked foreign Wiki articles that is linked here, I will tell you what they call it: In Japanese ja:ワンメイクレース - Wanmeikuresu, this is according to the Ubiquity translator - I assume means one-make racing. In Spanish es:Monomarca, sound like one-make racing again, and German: de:Markenpokal, also sound like one-make racing, a language expert will determine this better. Therefore, this makes one-make racing a more universal term compared to spec racing, which is unheard of outside North America. Donnie Park (talk) 16:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The issue is, is there a better name for the article then what is currently there? So far, there is no case, other then what the rest of the world maybe uses. So that becomes a case of what something is called being based the dialect of English in use. I'm not convinced that there is a language neutral name that has been proposed. So, lacking that, it would appear that moving is not justified. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

So what you are saying is, oppose because spec racing is a better name than one-make racing. Sorry to say this but it does sound like a WP:ILIKEIT comment. Donnie Park (talk) 12:04, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually your logic is WP:IDONTLIKEIT since it was only used in the US. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Since when my logic was WP:IDONTLIKEIT, give me a list of other countries that refer it as spec racing other than Canada of course as one nominator mentioned it. What I am pointing out is that Spec racing is an unheard of term outside North America, in Europe, it is known as one-make racing. Donnie Park (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks to me like Vegaswikian is saying that Spec Racing is not worse that One-make racing, not quite the same thing. In the event of a draw, ENGVAR comes into play. Correct me if I'm misinterprating. --Falcadore (talk) 00:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• I am not sure what the difference is between Spec racing and One-Design, so perhaps they should be merged into one article. If that is not correct, then this is a rather simple ENGVAR issue; the article stays. ÷seresin 09:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Before I am forced to consider ENGVAR, consider WP:COMMONNAMES. Donnie Park (talk) 12:04, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. I have not seen convincing reasons to rename. On top of that, one-make racing is a redirect to a different article. That tells me that one-make racing has issues as an ambiguous name. So without another option, this should remain where it is. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:52, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

First, one-make racing can be broken off from One-Design, which is of course why I am proposing to move spec racing to the proposed title. It is ambiguous, why, because that is what the motorsport and the automotive press label it and it have become an generally accepted name by the public.

I will give you a list of series below that call itself one-make racing and these are not from European sites which there will be plenty of it, so ask yourself, which other countries call that type of racing spec racing other than Canada, well I tried that and have trouble attempting so.

• Tesla one-make racing series: Nothing factory-backed, for now - from Autoblog, well a US site
• Porsche launches one-make racing series in Middle East - AMEinfo.com, from the Middle East
• One-make racing a two-make battle - Bangkok Post, from Thailand
• Tesla Roadster One-Make Race Series In The Works? - Australia
• Honda One-Make Racing Association - Again they called their series one-make racing and that is in Japan
• GT3 Cup Course - Porsche Sport Driving School - Australia - Sport Driving Schools - Porsche Australia official site
• [1] - Car torque, from South Africa

Now these links proves to you that one-make racing is an international term, per WP:COMMONNAMES.

So we are getting two Americans and a Canadian voting oppose, well something is wrong here, especially to a title that is too American biased as opposed to an universal title which I am proposing. Donnie Park (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Unconvinced, I don't want to say oppose as it simply appears to be a case of two terms meaning the same thing. A hat note stating One-make racing diverts here, and improved quality of writing for the article, clarity of subject is an issue, should fix it nicely. --Falcadore (talk) 00:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

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