Talk:Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood/Archive 1

Confused?

I thought Bioware stated that they are not working on IP's they don't own? Why did they change all of a sudden? Starwarsrulez 03:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

...Money? Philtrauferson 00:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• No I mean why are they working on Sega's IP when they said they were only doing their own IP? 69.214.55.43 19:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• • Well, they have the advantage of using an already established IP for their first handheld game. Like I said, money. Philtrauferson 22:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

They have, what I know, said that they wanted to "focus more on their own IPs", that however does not have to mean that they have to stop it completly.81.216.251.71 10:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

this page

this page should not be here because we do not know anymore then we do about Sonic riders

We know a lot about Sonic Riders2... if you're somehow trying to say that there is not enough info to make a proper article, I agree. But there will be info slowly given out, and the article will be updated as such. Think of it as a placeholder, if you must. And sign your comments, using four tildes (~)Philtrauferson 00:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the comparison to Mario RPG is kind of unnecesary. It's not as if we need to validate this game's existence or anything. 209.144.248.94 04:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I just included it as a kind of trivia fact to flesh out the article, and you can't deny that those comparisons are everywhere. I didn't include it to justify the game's existance or anything, but it's not really important so if it appears that way let's just leave it out Philtrauferson 15:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing that says Sonic Riders 2 is happening (and I hope not - awful game, put it on ebay the day I got it). Do you means Sonic Rivals? Philtrauferson 23:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Riders 1 was pretty shabby, and yes there is a Sonic Rivals 2, but there is going to be a Sonic Riders 2, and it looks monumentally better than the first one from what I've seen. Here, check it out for your own two eyes [1] User:Radman622 07:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

story line

Have you read the 'thought' section about the story on the this RPG Anonymous?Wolly da wanderer 00:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Random

Just a heads up I'm deleting a comment someone made about certain charaters appering. That is all.Wolly da wanderer 09:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Please do.-SLJCOAAATR

Whens it commin out

Hmmm... The headline raises a point about the game. Can anyone get some info of any sort please...Wolly da wanderer 00:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC) I mailed Sega about it. Do not worry.--User:Mark Alvarez

I wish we had more info. --User:Mark Alvaez —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark alvarez (talk • contribs) 02:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Info

Even IGN has next to no info! Look: [2]. --User:Mark Alvarez —Preceding comment was added at 02:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps Bioware wants it that way... a sort of "company secret". If only we had an insider... User:Radman622 07:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Fanservice

The introduction said that there will be locations and music from the game, which is ok. But then it said "most likely as a means of fanservice" When will people learn the meaning of NPOV? I deleted that last little clauseMavrickindigo (talk) 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

Sorry I haven't been around I have a question about the 'other character' does any one have any proof of this character or should I delete the 'fake' infomation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolly da wanderer (talk • contribs) 08:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

What other character is that.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I would guess he is referring to this: "Another new character will appear but like Shade not much is known, he appears to be part of the same race as Shade since he looks very similar including the boots but has much larger horns and has a face that resembles that of a hippo's, he also seems to carry two metal circular blades with her." I was wondering about this too. Tommy11111 (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

So should I go ahead and delete it the infomation? And also I'm a lady not a gent thank you Tommy11111. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolly da wanderer (talk • contribs) 07:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I think this is based on a picture of a Shade-like character in the original preview that gave so much information about the game, but I don't believe it was mentioned they were a specific character - they might just be generic enemies who share Shade's fashion sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.224.209 (talk) 15:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Errr...after browsing around I did find that character he does exist there is a pic of him at sonic yoda....sorry124.186.53.237 (talk) 09:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

If you don't believe me here see this [[3]]Wolly da wanderer (talk) 01:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed characters

Since people keep putting up unconfirmed characters on the article, I think they should put up a source here first so it can be confirmed by another user before it goes on the article.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

can somone please tell me were they got; Espio, Vector, Charmy, and Siver as playable characters from? -LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 12:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know but here's the guy who put it in. Special:Contributions/69.27.194.158Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes well, Special:Contributions, were did you get this information, or, why are you puting fancruft on wikipedia? -LyokoTitan101

It's an IP address, not "Special:Contributions". That just denotes the contributions of the IP address. Red Phoenix (Talk) 18:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone recently added Blaze, Fang and Omega to the list of playable characters. Are they also unconfirmed? --82.43.141.57 (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Shade's just been confirmed as a playable character. IGN I don't know about you guys but that looks like Shade to me, although I guess it could be Shadow.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, it's Rouge.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard Jacques

Rich has confirmed he is working on the game's soundtrack, to some degree. I don't have the time to add it with the source, but it would be good if someone could.

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2008/03/sega-superstars-tennis-month-interview.html

Despite being a stupid interview he does mention it! Philtrauferson (talk) 14:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Rumors of Tails' Death

CVG published an article on February 28th that hinted that Tails might die in the game. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183596 Although this is only a rumor, it has become widespread, and I think that it may have some significance in the article. KJS77_Talk 19:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

• Rumours serve no place in Wikipedia. Besides, they're not going to kill off Tails. Philtrauferson (talk) 22:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

• • As someone who's indulged this sort of thing in the past (and only later realized just how silly it is, I have to agree with Philtrauferson. Wikipedia is intended as a repository of facts, not a warehouse of rumors. --Luigifan (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

When that article says "possible hint: Tails dies?", it sounds an awefull lot like sarcasm to me. Especially in the goofy context of the rest of the article. The Great Morgil (talk) 16:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If BioWare did that, they'd get suuuuueeeeed. //// —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesser Shadow (talk • contribs) 18:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Seriously guys, there not gonna kill of there 3rd most major character and 3rd most favored character.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 20:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

NPC

We have NO proof that Eggman, Shade, or any Zoah will be NPCs so stop.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 02:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Uh, what happened to NON-payable character and who did this? Oh yeah, and how do know Shade won't be playable? Just asking. -LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 02:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

We don't know that for sure...Chaoshi (talk) 15:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Other than the current 7, we don't know who will, or won't be playable.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 01:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll just delete that Eggman, Shade, Zoah, and Metal Sonic are playable. -LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Metal hasn't even been confirmed yet...Leave it as just

EX.

Characters

• Sonic the Hedgehog
• Miles "Tails" Prower
• Knuckles the Echidna
• Amy Rose
• Rouge the Bat
• Shadow the Hedgehog
• Big the Cat
• Dr. Eggman
• Shade
• The Zoah alien race
• Dexter

SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you showing all the confirmed characters to appear, or what you want the character section to look like.Fairfieldfencer (Talk) 16:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

All the currently confirmed characters.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, who in the world said that Mario is part of the Zoah!!! I'm deleting it until their is proof. -LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 00:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

He is. Bowser teamed up with Eggman, brainwashed Mario into killing the Zoah leader, he got a Zoah costume, and in the Final Battle, Sonic discovers this, summons Soul, and kills the whole Zoah army. You didn't hear about it?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

This is sole sarcasm do not list it in the article.Fairfieldfencer FFF 13:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Name Change

The title of the page should be changed from "Untitled_Sonic_RPG" to "Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood" Deathsythe (talk) 03:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

..It is Sonic Chronicles... Where are you? .-. -Sukecchi (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm....Are you part of Segas time-paradox?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The Zoah?

When I saw the page before the contest, the group that kidnapped Knuckles was called "The Marauders", when I came after the contest, it was The Zoah, Which one is correct? --190.51.97.125 (talk) 02:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Marauders is just like saying Kidnappers. The Zoah is correct.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Screenshots

I've found a couple of new screenshot. Sonic Chronicles screenshots Just click on the image and it'll take you to the next one, (I think that blue thing in the biggest circle is a Zoah).Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Impossible, the zoah are three times the height of Sonic. -LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but it could be the whole Black arms Black Doom thing. The one that is three times the height of Sonic is the leader, and the short blue ones are the soldiers.Fairfieldfencer FFF 07:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's an entire list of screenshots. [4]Fairfieldfencer FFF 12:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

NO!

Don't add Blaze, Fang, and Omega as PCs. They haven't even been confirmed. PERIODSLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 17:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Dexter?

I'm not entirely sure that Dexter exists, it is easily possible Amy was making it up to get a reaction from Sonic. Personally, until there is more than mention in a screenshot of dialogue to use as proof, I think he should be considered a rumor and as such be absent from the article. If there is any other proof of him being an actual character then I'd like to see it. JEV3 74.33.123.241 (talk) 17:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

We have to take Amys word. Besides, we all know Dexter is a nerdy squierl with buck teeth, glasses, lab coat, and a purple hat that Fang gave him.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 18:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Where did you get that from?Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

He's obviously using it as satire. I disagree...obviously he exists if Amy mentioned him. It would be speculation to suggest he doesn't exist. -Sukecchi (talk) 18:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

My comment was meant as sole sarcasm. We know he exists, we just don't know anything else about him.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Umm... where's this so-called screenshot that says this? I checked IGN, which is where the article says the image was, and i didn't see any screens mentioning anyone named Dexter.The Great Morgil (talk) 20:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The screencap seems to have been removed or something...luckily Kotaku still has it. http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/gallery/9/2008/04/medium_2406319167_0361561b78_o.jpg -Sukecchi (talk) 22:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

It was a lie to get Sonic jealous. Girls do that kind of thing. -BoomTheHedgehog —Preceding unsigned comment added by BoomTheHedgehog (talk • contribs) 22:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Because we all know YOU have the game, right? You know everything about what Bioware is planning, so why should we ever have questioned you're all knowing knowledge of Sonic Chronicles and Sega's ideas. After all, you work there right?

As long as there is nothing to prove that it's a lie, than it's still speculation. Thank you, I'll be signing autographs in the foyer. - Indigo Rush 23:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Without further evidence, we have to believe Amy.SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 02:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing to prove it's a lie? What about the fact that, and I have repeated this multiple times although nobody seems to listen, BioWare. Did not mention. Anything. About Dexter. They also did not post the screenshot anywhere. There is absolutely NO proof that they created the screenshot and posted it; for all we know, it was made by IGN. I've also said this in multiple places, but I'll say it again as well: UNLESS YOU CAN FIND PROOF THAT THE SCREENSHOT CAME FROM BIOWARE ITSELF, IT CANNOT BE USED AS PROOF OF DEXTER'S EXISTANCE. And since it's the only existing proof that says Dexter exists, that would mean Dexter would also cease to exist. You need proof, sir. You need proof. 24.5.145.6 (talk) 05:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ages

it stated that the game takes place 2 years after sonic defeated eggman and is going on a vacation, does this mean everyone is now 2 years older? Example: Sonic-17, Tails-10, Knuckles-18, Amy-14, Cream-8, Rouge-20,etc.?--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 02:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it would do but incase you didn't notice; Sonic has been 15 for 17 years, so obviously they age differently from us. And welcome to the Sega project.Fairfieldfencer FFF 08:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Didn't the Heroes guide state that Sonic was 16? SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

No 15. Only Knuckles and Espio are 16.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait...I thought Espio was 17?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope 16.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Really. How, i'm really out of it today...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I see hes been 15 for all that time, but it says 2 years as in the sonic storyline, a 2 year skip, like in Naruto suppuden.--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 20:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pics.

I was wondering if under the gameplay section, we could get a pic. of a battle against an enemy on one side, and on the other, a pic. of Sonic & co. exploring an area like Green Hill Zone for ex.? It's a good way to demonstrate how the gameplay of TGD works for those of whom don't already know. I also think under the story section, we should get a pic. of the screen of Amy telling Sonic about Dexter since so ppl are in denial of his existance? hanks. ;) SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Dexter pic: why don't we just use it as a ref.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a good point. Perhaps that'll end the denial?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Ref added.Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dexter - Clearing this up.

I'm getting tired of seeing "Amy may be making him up" or "He might be a hoax". To suggest that Amy is making Dexter up is speculation. Speculation is not welcomed here. He's mentioned in a screen shot; he exists. Deal with it. -Sukecchi (talk) 17:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, Chaoshi (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

My guess why people are saying this is because loads of fans all like the idea of the SonAmy relationship. And Dexter moving into the picture would mean Sonic has some official competion, not just fan made like Shadow and Blaze.Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't care whether or not he's real (I'll probably hate the storyline either way and never play the game), I'm just concerned that in the context of his name's mention in the dialogue that its not enough proof and it may be speculation either way. If he is real then I'm looking forward to seeing what he looks like. If he's not real, it wouldn't be the first time inaccurate information has been displayed for upcoming titles on Wikipedia. JEV3 74.33.123.241 (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Got to remember the game takes place two years ahead of the main stream, The characters can develop in unexpected ways. Even so there's no proof Dexter will make an appearance based on Amy simply talking about him. I'm thinking he's fit more in a trivia section right now as he's not 'confirmed to appear'. Soniccuz (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

No trivia sections. Trivia sections are to be avoided at all costs. -Sukecchi (talk) 22:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Understood Soniccuz (talk) 23:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

How exactly does a screenshot of this on IGN prove anything? If BioWare doesn't mention it at all, then there's no proof that IGN's screenshot is legitimate. They didn't post the screenshot anywhere; not in the NP article, not on their site. IGN's screenshot alone cannot be considered proof of Dexter's existence until it can be confirmed that the screenshot was made by BioWare itself. 24.5.145.6 (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

In fairness, the entire article needs references, but in that particular section it needs one for all characters. Am I supposed to place blind faith in the information about a future title that has no sources to back up the information presented? SynergyBlades (talk) 14:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

And besides, do you really expect BioWare to release important info regarding the plot of an unreleased video game, along with every other minor detail?Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know, the latest issue of NP has the picture with Amy talking about Dexter in it. Chaoshi (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Shadow

I have heard people talking about him in it, but has it really been confirmed? I haven't seen any screenshots with him in it. Just wanting to mae sure. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

True he hasn't appeared in screenshots but he has been confirmed on IGN.com.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

And Nintendo Power.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, just making sure. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 19:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

That's okay. I think he just comes in late, or has a very minor role?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 21:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Cream is in or is she?

Hey is Cream really in or is this a prank eh?Wolly da wanderer (talk) 01:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Cite it, or bite it!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 03:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait, didn't I come up with that phrase, or did you!? Maybe that's where I got it from... - Indigo Rush 23:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indigo Rush (talk • contribs)

Don't know. I heard it on a show making fun of Wiki a while ago. Like, quite a few years ago. Perhaps you saw too?SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 02:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Naw, I said that the day before about something... you're probably right about the Wiki thing, but I actually thought it up! Probably because it rhymed. - Indigo Rush 13:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indigo Rush (talk • contribs)

Well, i like it. Hope you don't mind others using it?SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Go on ahead. I obviously didn't come up with it so I have no right to stop anyone! XD - Indigo Rush 18:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indigo Rush (talk • contribs)

LOL. Alright. See ya man!Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Dex again!

Someone removed him, and put Cheese in his spot...

http://ds.ign.com/articles/866/866494p1.html

SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 03:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Playable Characters

OK, when was it confirmed that Silver and Blaze are in the game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxyr (talk • contribs) 20:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't.Fairfieldfencer FFF 20:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I have a screen of Sonic racing Shadow.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Where did you find that?Fairfieldfencer FFF 09:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

UK mag. I'll scan it in a few days. Has some good new info. Suducing enemies with Rouge. Sonic getting crushed by giant centipede Zoah. Tails spelt Tales.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 17:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC) where is your proof —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.46.58 (talk) 00:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone added E-123 Omega to the characters list but didn't add a source. Does anyone have a source? Tommy11111 (talk) 17:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a screen shot of Sonic Racing Shadow at game spy. They so far have 89 screens this screen is the 51st. -LyokoTitan101

That's the one from my mag.!SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 02:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Protection

As all the speculation of characters is coming from unregistered users, I suggest until all the characters are confirmed we put up a semi-protection lock.Fairfieldfencer FFF 12:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Gamloverks (talk) 14:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

It's done.Fairfieldfencer FFF 15:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I just logged out to test the lock but it didn't stop me editing.Fairfieldfencer FFF 15:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You have to request semi-protection from a moderator/admin (follow the instructions here). Adding the template is "for display purposes only". :) SynergyBlades (talk) 19:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I have had it listed.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I would be surprised if you get it locked for weeks, let alone months, but the mods/admins might surprise us yet. SynergyBlades (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

References

This article needs more references from official Sega/Bioware/EA press releases or major gaming news sites/magazines in the main sections (outside of Development, which has a few; specifically, gameplay, story and character listings are unsourced.) Anything that cannot be referenced in this manner should be removed as unsourced. SynergyBlades (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

In addition, the informal sourcing needs cleaning up. Instead of "According to X Magazine" or "A preview of the game was featured in the February 2008 issue of the Nintendo Power magazine", these should be put as references using the ref tag, along with an appropriate template (eg. cite web). In this manner, the facts are stated clearly, and the source should not be in the main body of text - to find the source, you then click the little number that appears which takes you to the reference section for that citation. See Sonic Unleashed for examples. SynergyBlades (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)