Talk:Solomon Mikhoels

Buried

burried at Donskoy Monastery cemetery in Moscow. פארוק (talk) 07:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a published source for this information? Nsk92 (talk) 07:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

look here =>>> [1] . פארוק (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the link you provide, to findagrave.com site, does not satisfy the WP:V/WP:RS requirements. This is a member-managed site, where anyone can register as a member an upload information. You'd need to find a solid reliable source. as defined by WP:V for the info about the grave; then it could be added to the article. Nsk92 (talk) 09:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

So why there is an article ? .... =>>> Find A Grave. פארוק (talk) 09:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

We have WP articles about lots of things that are notable but do not qualify as reliable sources for the purposes of using them as references in other Wikipedia articles (the best such example is Wikipedia itself). As you may note by reading the Find A Grave article, it says explicitly that any registered member may submit an entry to their database and even non-registered members may edit previously submitted entries. That is as far from satisfying WP:V as you can go. Nsk92 (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk about Solomon M?

What is it you want to talk about this Russian-jewish writer? You have requested more sources for this article: is there anything you need to say about the sources?

Any preferences or bias you might have regarding this particular topic? Are there prejudices about jews condemned by Stalin?

If there are no questions on this topic, then can we take it for granted that it is OK to fill the heading with the relevant source materials? Is there objectification of reliable sources? One would hope not, simply because writing from secondary sources must assume good faith in the academic credentials of the authors. All such published sources undergo a rigorous peer-review before they can even be considered eligible for a public readership. This is validated by a publishing house, and subsequent critical reviews in journals and newspapers.

Primary sources for the latter end of the Stalinist era came from the various pogrom trials lodged in the Kremlin's State Archives. These were not released until the thaw in Cold War relations. The crop of Jewish activists who published work in New York were condemned as spies and executed as traitors. The secondary sources in English therefore tend to focus on the persecution of the Jewish poets and writers as the more important element to their history; its contribution to literature often being neglected in favour of the political impact of suspicious deaths in the Soviet bloc.

Subject-Verb-Object: the rules of sources provision should therefore always refer back to the title heading of the page; it should be most material or germane to the point. In this case, "Solomon Mikhoels" is a biographical piece about a man and his life. It should be borne in mind that all pages headed by a person's name should focus narrowly on their deeds and what others thought and said about them. Links should include the main themes into political and other events, which should be recorded under a separate heading. Wherever possible there should be a correct sentence construction, with relevant punctuation and grammar.

Sources should be formatted with wiki formatting found in Wikimarkup. Headings could be Bibliography meaning a list of both primary and secondary works that describe the life and literature of the poet. Unpublished works, such as PhD from university are always welcome, although not from plagiarised sources. However there should not be aggressive deletion of sources. It is always advisable to read at least some of the sources first before writing an article; unless you are experienced it maybe that the source title does not reflect the content, that you may think it does, unless you have intimate knowledge of the content. Books and journals can be formatted with the author's first and last name. Also included should be publisher, location of publishing, date of journal or web page, or date of book publication, as well as additional details that might include isbn numbers etc.

Sources in External links are welcome from videos on sites like YouTube.com, as well as copy and paste links from websites and the relevant pages. However it would be useful to format External links so as to provide access-dates and titles of that link as a bare minimum standard. Please try and distinguish between sources/bibliography and External links; it is quite important because we want to establish that the book is a source but an External link is a third party website outside Wikipedia.

As a Nota Bene it should be remembered that a Biography is about a person's life. This should not be confused with the books that a "Solomon Mikhoels" may have written. In the case of an author, writer, poet or historian the writings and works should be listed under a separate heading. This is not to be confused with a Bibliography which is what is a list of Sources (capitals used here for illustration of headings only). It is a good idea to find a typical source that definitively lists all his/her written works: accepting that this is not always possible, several repository might be inside books, a list of former publications by the same author; or the said author's own website, or a university or archive website. There are also amateur fan websites that make it their point to list author's works; although these should be taken with a pinch of salt. Many free-to-view websites however like thepeerage.com and so on have existed for decades, and so have improved since the Millennium, in terms of accuracy, and data recognition.

A request are Plea for SANITY: please do not ban or delete or condemn those of us who wish to write an accurate source. Many have quibbled about the usage of Further reading as being the only type of Bibliography source heading valid on Wikipedia. I have always contended that the Bibliography heading should be about primary and secondary sources about the person, e.g. "Solomon Mikheols". This is the normal methodology used by historians, and even in such monumental works such as Dictionary of National Biography which run to about 60 volumes. But there again the work is done for you: all such works are in alphabetical order, and so it is unnecessary to question the exact volume or page reference, because the finder only needs to understand the surname to find the person; this a valid shortcut. Secondary sources that are repeated time and again in secondary publications are usually very reliable for their accuracy. There is therefore also often literary criticism or review of said secondary sources which can be a pointer and hint as to how to use the source to the best effect. In other words, academic historians tend to take a point of view dependant on previous scholarship, and thus leave out or discard sources with which they disagree, nonetheless they may well still retain validity, but in another context.

Request: please do not delete sources unless: 1. dead links and permanent dead links can be proven to be so because they no longer function. 2. it is a factual error, e.g. it does not exist, is a lie or a fake for a source.

Please Note: You do not need to contact me to respect the rules and procedures of Wikipedia. These should be applied fairly to everybody, so that there is no unfair and needless deletion of sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.208.39.151 (talk) 11:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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NPOV

There is a significant failure to maintain a neutral point of view in this article especially regarding his death and alleged assassination. The New York Times article does not cite any sources, and Rubenstein and Conquest are both highly partisan sources. Sentences such as "his assassin" (which I have edited to "his alleged assassin" for the time being) are not neutral and take an explicit position without citing proper evidence to back it up. 17Sky17 (talk) 22:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)