Talk:Sirens (Cher Lloyd song)

Single Artwork

This cover is a promotional cover only sent out by Cher and Epic, as part of the album cover reveal for Sorry I'm Late and pre-release debuts for the album and several fan selected songs. This is the official artwork, sent out to retailers by Epic and Cher. Also, artwork is to be uploaded in PNG format at 300px resolution. And citing a search engine as a reason for why one is official, and one is not, is not how Wikipedia works on the verification scale. And reverting the covers continually is also in violate of the three-revert rule. So unless consensus can be reached, etc., covers should either remain as is, or just removed all together. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 17:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Acalamari, Arre 9, Chasewc91, IPadPerson, Status, Tomica, and XXSNUGGUMSXX: Your thoughts on this, as well, as experienced editors in the field of music-related articles and editing in general? livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 17:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have quite often seen users insist on fake covers. Let's keep it simple: if you didn't get it from the artist or someone closely affiliated (i.e. record label), chances are it shouldn't be used. Snuggums (talk • contributions) 19:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have also seen users mistakening fanmade covers as the official in and outside of Wikipedia. Looking up the song on Bing, Google, or Yahoo! Images and on online music retailers such as iTunes and Amazon MP3 will give you the official and/or fanmade. Such music artwork that the artist, designer, or label does not hold the copyright(s) to should not be used on any music-related Wikipedia articles in any way. IPadPerson (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic, IPadPerson, and XXSNUGGUMSXX: Livelikemusic, I had checked your cover. The cover is correct, just that your cover is a little brighter then the original cover. And please see my cover's source. iTunes. It's not fake or fan made, it's Livelikemusic's cover that is NOT exactly the same as the original cover. It is brighter. I have tried uploading a new version, but my cover is JPG not PNG, so it failed. And a EP cover is different from a single cover. Get it? Thanks. Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 08:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC) (Sick of people already.)

And, look at this iTunes web. There's a difference between EPs and singles. And, click on the Sirens - EP page. Slightly different from Livelikemusic's upload, you see? I don't want another argument. Having another argument with Chasewc91 in Talk:Let It Go (Disney song) on whether the song is a single. If Chase gets here, never mind, don't talk about other stuff here.Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 09:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I took the article directly from iTunes; whenever an artwork is smaller colours are different, and then uploaded into Wiki, they can change. But I took it directly from iTunes. And stop reverting. Doing that is direct violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:CONSENSUS. The puzzle piece cover is not official; it's not on Epic, it was part of her album cover unveiling. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 14:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: When did I revert? I just simply took away your picture and put mine, without the rollback or revert button. The colour is really different. The puzzle piece cover - if it is unofficial, why would it be on iTunes? Let me tell you, an EP cover is different from a single cover. I hope you understand. "Sirens EP" is an extended play, while "Sirens" is a single.

• Single
• EP

I hope you understand. Please do not think I'm underestimating your vocabulary or whatever. I just want clarification and verification. Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 06:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

PS I had uploaded the clearer version of the artwork. It's under the same filename, don't worry. You can check. Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 08:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

You cannot change the infobox when a discussion for consensus is in the works, that shows owning issues and goes against the meaning on consensus, a sign that you're trying to promote your own opinion on the article. I don't need to be told the difference between an EP nor a single. And the "single" was put up months ago prior to its release, when the U.S. received on the pre-order of Sorry I'm Late. But the EP cover has been used in Epic media and on television, during the singer's promotion of the single. The EP itself was adding in later on, as the official single release, per an e-mail sent out through Epic and Syco. And uploading your own lower res pixel image, when the preferred is 300px, is also another way of trying to steer the consensus in your direction, which is once again, a sign of owning. And no need to ping me, either. I am following said discussion. The colour is not different at all, either. I've told you: yours is smaller, so the colours are going to be appear less apparent and noticeable. But it's the same exact image. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 16:50, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Anyway, how do you even know abut the emails and how do you know about how the EP cover is given out to retailers of Cher and Epic, but the single cover isn't? If it is even possible to appeared on iTunes, probably it all means that Cher and Epic has also given out the single cover to iTunes, which is counted as a retailer of Cher and Epic. Basically, a single usually just contains one track and an EP is an extended play, which means that it has more songs than a single and lesser than a studio album. The track listing is different than the single's, which means the EP is different from the single itself. Like AJR's "I'm Ready" is a song from the EP "I'm Ready EP", as AJR does not have a studio album yet. I understand that the EP cover is used in news reports. However, it really make no sense why an EP cover is used as a single cover. I do not think I'm actually owning articles, its what you think, but it is unintentional. I just learnt a wiki policy today. Thanks. And the 3RR might be used against you instead.

PS Know a website I an convert pics into SVG online without paying other than Vectormagic? Thanks, Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 02:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Because I receive the e-mails from Epic and Syco, as well as friends of mine. When they refer to the single, they send you to the EP download, not the single itself. And as I've explained before, which you've ignored, the cover from the YouTube audio was a promotional cover, given during the album cover reveal. And I know what an EP is, as well. And I am not violating 3RR, as I'm following Wiki policy on consensus. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 02:57, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

If anything, the album cover should be used, as that's what was used as the pre-order cover. The album cover is used as the cover on Amazon UK, as well as the EP cover. That's the compromise I'm willing to provide to this situation. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 03:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Amazon UK. What about iTunes? I had already emphasised that the single cover I got was from iTunes, and not a screenshot of the audio. I am not ignoring your statement, I am trying to say that the cover was taken from iTunes. What is the difference between a promotional cover and a cover? Just asking. Please do not get pissed off. And your Amazon links depicts a different cover for the EP cover and the single cover itself. Thanks. Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 13:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Promotional covers are used for promotional use, as a place holder for the official artwork, normally sent out for radio use and club promotion. They're usually simple artworks with the artist's name and song title included on the artwork. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 16:50, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I would just say, that the cover I uploaded is not a promotional cover. An EP cover is different from a single cover, I have already emphasised. Thanks, Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 08:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

But I'm telling you, it is a promotional cover, as part of the album cover unveil for Sorry I'm Late. I don't get why you're not understanding that? livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 16:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: Whatever. End this. I just love this song so much and whatever. Do not quarrel over my third favourite song, thanks. Nahnah4 | Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! | No Editcountitis! 08:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Promotional CD?

Would it be proper to add that there was a one track CD promo that was released in the U.K. only to this article? It was the radio edit of "Sirens". If it helps any, the CD was being auctioned on e-Bay, and had the press info. ilovechristianmusic ^{(Talk to Me!)} 16:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)