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Haydn edit
Didn't Haydn add the fourth presto finale movement to the symphony? The menuet had already been around for some time as part of the sinfonia as the third movement; it was Haydn who found greater success with a fast-paced showy ending to his symphonies at the Esterhazy court, where he was writing for an audience, and not solely the sake of the music itself...
- yes the last paragraph of the 'Overture and/or early symphony' section ("But then Haydn made the Italian sinfonia...") should be sourced, especially about Haydn adding the minuet and trio to the classical symphonic genre; Johann Stamitz was the almost exact contemporary of Haydn whom Grove says made this innovation, as is basically directly copied into the wikipedia article (cf. "Innovations"). Haydn was not the only one to birth the classical symphony. The writing itself is pretty awful, too - why are there so many slashes? why is there an "and/or" in the subtitle? maybe the section should be divided into "overture" and "early symphony", not a mangling of both. Hjijch (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It would probably be better to add this sort of discussion and information to the article on the symphony (see below). --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Introduction edit
I do not feel qualified to make this edit but the introduction should briefly summarize what "specific meanings and connotations" sinfonia has, and why. See: Wikipedia:Lead section#Provide an accessible overview. Hyacinth (talk) 15:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- I am changing the lead to the English usage of the word. This is the English Wikipedia, so this seems more appropriate. Usages in other languages probably do not belong here. For example, when a Haydn symphony is labeled "Sinonia" at the top of the score or on the title page, it is the Italian word that is being used. In English it should be translated as "symphony," not "sinfonia." --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)