Talk:Shivaji's Southern Campaign

Result

@DeepstoneV Can u pls, Explain me why did u removed the result of the article and about the portugese concern marathas raided portugese territories is a prelude of this campaign.

and here what WP:RS says about the result -

This Karnatak expedition proved to be Shivaji’s last great achievementhttps://archive.org/details/mughulempire00bhar/page/272/mode/1up

Sudsahab (talk) 15:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems Like you Didn't paste the entire Context? It says As Shivaji Died Soon after, all the grand Results planned and Expected of this Extensive Karnatak venture fell to the ground. The Only Benefit that accrued From it to the Maria tha nation was that during Shambhuji’s and Rajaram’s reigns These Karnatak Conquests of Shivaji proved of Immense benefit. All his expected Result had fell to the ground, it is Explicitly Stating About the campaign of Karnatak, or Carnatic. It is not a Comment to keep the Result as a single Victory. And an Attempt to distort sources have Been Seen here. DeepstoneV (talk) 16:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

The event you're quoting is after Shivaji's death, which occurred 2-3 years later after his Southern campaign and they're nowhere connected to each other, I don't know what's a problem here, maybe you're seeking for PoVish editing as you did in Gupta-Saka Wars, you removed Sindh as the Gupta conquered territory before any discussion although I saved it by citing a source so please refrain yourself by not doing these amateurish editing.

and here is the other WP:RS cited in the article indicating the result of the campaign:-

With a success as Caesar's in Spain, he came, saw and overcame, and reported so vast a treasure in gold, diamonds, emeralds, rubies and wrought coral, that have strengthened his arms; with very able sinews to prosecute his further victorious designs/ 27 Sabhasad estimates the territory annexed by Sivajl in the Karnatak as yielding an annual revenue of 20 lakhs of horn, and including a hundred forts, taken or built by sivaji. 2S Another English record states that ' Sivajl by his deputies has a full and quiet possession of all these countries about those two castles of Jinji and Vellore, which are worth 22 lakhs of pardoes (or 550 thousand pounds sterling) per annum, in which he has a considerable force of men and horse, 72 strong hills and 14 forts (in the plain), being 60 leagues long and 40 broad/ 29 Sudsahab (talk) 13:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

First of all, in prior of the comment you made against me here, the source that you just called WP:RS, is actually a Raj era source, quoting an English primary report dated 16 January 1678. What you're just doing is, creating an article of a military conflict, and insert "Indian entity victory" at the result section with your meatpuppetry. It had been seen several times that the confirmed socks who have been proved pushing Indian POV moving your articles even from your sandbox. The only constraint preventing me from reporting this to ANI is the time barrier. Therefore, refrain from using vague language and conclude the results section before it is scrutinized by experts. DeepstoneV (talk) 15:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

That's not a Raj era source the book i cited was published in 2005

https://archive.org/details/marathahistory035360mbp/page/n222/mode/1up?q=Afzal

if u don't know what WP:RAJ is must read it before giving any comment and doing Povish editing.

Here what other WP:RS state about the result of this Campaign

• https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.56777/page/n261/mode/1up

Shivaji’s advance into the Karnatak was a great indirect blow ,to the Mughal Emperor’s dreams of conquest. While Aurangzeb and Dilir Khan were planning finally to extinguish both Bijapur and Golkonda, Shivaji stepped in and practically seized the southernmost regions.His alliance with Golkonda proved a master-stroke, which upset Dilir Khan beyond calculation. Finding the allied troops of Kutb Shah and Shivaji absent in the south, Dilir Khan made a dash for Golkonda ; but Madanna being fully prepared to meet him, easily turned him back from the way. The news of tliis move and tlie Emperor’s fresh measures for taking prompt action against Shivaji, compelled the latter to hasten badk home leaving the completion of his Kamatak venture to other hands. On tlie way back Shivaji established a strong line of defensive posts right from Panh§la to Tanjore. While returning to his homeland towards the end of 1677, he met a slight opposition at Belvadi near Belgaum from the guardian Desai (i.e. Thanadar) of that post and his heroic wife Savitri Bai. Belvadi was captured after a month’s attadc by, the heroic effort of Dadji RaghunSth Prabhu Nadkar, and the distressed and humiliated lady was taken under protection by Shivaji.^ He reached PanhalS in April 1678 after an absence of nearly fourteen months, having added to his dominions a territory yieldng 20 lacs of Hons and containing a hundred forts.In this latest exploit of Shivaji one must recognise the full play of his inherent genius. The Maratha kingdom was shaped into a real and compact unit ; its scanty resources were strengthened ; a band of young earnest men was trained in military and civU administration, so as to ensure the permanency of his achievement. Santaji Bhosle, Hambir Rao Mohite, Santaji Ghorpade, Janardan Pant Hanumante, Keshav Trimal Pingle, Harji Mahadik, Dhanaji Jadhav and many other youthful energetic soldier-diplomats, who figured in lato history so conspicuously, were initiated into state-craft through the fruitful field offered by this Karnatair expedition. Merit was critically tested and amply rewarded. ‘Shivaji well understood the principle that the highest strength of the State lay in its efficient administration. Under his direction everyone felt inspired to do his duty and to sacrifice one’s all for the good of the State. A healthy rivalry thus came into being to serve the State and earn the Raja’s esteem. This benign policy won the hearts evim of the rebellious Poligars and Deshmukhs of tlie Kamatak, who were indirectly influenced by his benevolent ways in severe contrast to the Muslim policy of the preced-’ ing age and readily submitted to his rule. This healthy change was put to a real test during the difficult days of Sambhaji and RgjatSm, when it was the cordial co-operation of the peoples of the south that enabled the Marathas to score phenomenal victories over tlie Emperor.

• https://archive.org/details/the-marathas-1600-1818-cambridge-history-of-india-vol.-2-part-4/page/80/mode/1up

Let us complete the narrative of Shivaji’s life before turning to the important themes of the Maratha polity. From 1674 to his death in 1680, Shivaji was mainly involved in long campaigns in the south. He was invited by a faction of the Golconda court to invade Bijapur, and led an army all the way across India to Jinji on the eastern coast. There, he both fought and negotiated with Ekoji (his half-brother) and took the major fortress of Vellore.

• https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.281262/page/n278/mode/1up

Shivaji had now successfully concluded his campaign. With two enemies, one on either flank, and a doubtful ally on his line of communications, he had crossed India from west to east and back again from east to west. In the course of eighteen months, at a distance of 700 miles from his base, he had con- quered a territory as large as his former kingdom. While a single reverse would have been fatal, he had not suffered even a single check. Victory had succeeded victory; town had fallen after town. As he went, he organized his conquests; and when he returned to Raygad, as he now did, his new possessions were securely bound together from sea to sea, by a line of fortified strongholds held by garrisons brave to the death and devoted to his cause. Sudsahab (talk) 09:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The conquest of Karnataka, completed almost without bloodshed, was a triumph of Shivaji’s grand strategy. Not only did it save the Maratha kingdom from complete extinction by the mighty waves of the Mughal invasion that rolled in from the north, but it also completely shattered them and laid the foundations of the Maratha Empire. It thus decided the fate of India in the next century.Gajanan Bhaskar Mahendele. here another WP:RS stating Maratha victory. Sudsahab (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

G5

@Hey man im josh, the significant edits are made by another blocked user User: WhiteReaperPM, except few changes in the categorisation, and potential edit warring on the result section in the infobox. Doesn't that count under G5? Imperial^[AFCND] 13:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado: That editor was not blocked/evading a block at the time of those edits. As such, their edits, despite being from an account now blocked for socking, make the page ineligible for WP:CSD G5 deletion. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Imperial^[AFCND] 13:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)