Talk:Shiba Inu/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2014

Request: Would like to replace the photo of shiba inu in the History section (Shiba inu blacktan.jpg) to another photo, also from the Wikimedia Commons (Female Shiba Inu.jpg).

Justification: 1. The existing photo shows urajiro only partially. Proper Urajiro (markings--usually in white--throughout the body) should be present muzzle, cheeks, chest, above the eye (only for black and tan), inside of the ears, underside of the tail, behind and inside of all four legs. I belive the photo I am suggesting demonstrates urajiro more clearly.

2. The existing photo does not specify the gender of the dog. Males and female shibas are distinctly different in appearance (e.g. proportion, skull shape, size, etc) and I believe that it would be more helpful if the readers can tell the gender of the dog that they are seeing.

In light of full disclosure, the picture was taken by myself, but I truly do believe that this photo shows shiba inu's characteristic appearance clearer than the original image does.

Conclusion:Change from this (in the 'History' section of the article):

Black and tan Shiba Inu with urajiro

To this:

8-month old female black and tan Shiba Inu with urajiro

Alexjung85 (talk) 05:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Because the markings above the eyes in the proposed image are not tan enough, looking white to me. Also the rest of the tan parts are not distinct and large enough for a black and tan/tricolor Shiba. Oda Mari (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done:

Health

Ahunt, just give me a second, I am workig on it. Hafspajen (talk) 12:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. - Ahunt (talk) 12:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Added a couple of pictures of standing dogs, because most of the pictures were of dogs sittig or details. It is important in dog articles to show the dogs body, legs, position, color variety and coat variety on the body, etc. Hope the tan dog is tan enough... Hafspajen (talk) 21:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Good job! Your changes look good to me! - Ahunt (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Misc

Shiba inus are just like real-life teddybears! They have cute plump little faces that are just adorable.Yet Shiba Inu's are a bit hard to train but,so cute and cuddly.(just like other dogs it is best to train them when they are younger)

I just replaced the japanese name -- any reason why it was deleted? Ben White 5 July 2005 13:00 (UTC)

It got reverted again, and I just restored it - I did a few google searches, and the name seems to represent the Shiba. Trysha 22:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

If the Japanese name is going to be used, shouldn't it be "Shiba-ken" then? Since the 2nd character isn't read "inu" in that combination. Ef 09:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure? WWWJDIC gives the reading しばいぬ for 柴犬 Ben White 11:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Whether correct or not, a direct translation is not necessary. In the english speaking world or more particularly kennel clubs, the English wording is Shiba-inu. PedanticSophist (talk) 01:21, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I live in Japan, and I have never heard them called "Shiba inu" by any native Japanese speakers-- and they're a very popular breed of dog. They're always called "Shiba ken". True, according to Google, "Shiba inu" is preferred in the English-speaking world-- a practice that strikes me as quite bizarre. I would definitely prefer them to be called either "Shiba ken" or "Shiba dogs", but as Wikipedia has no jurisdiction over, say, the American kennel club, my recommendation is to simply explain this debate on the main page.

126.16.180.184 (talk) 16:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Last comment

This statement needs to be removed from the article: "It is similar to but smaller than the Akita." This sentence has no citation, is not accurate and does not make sense - similar how and why is this relevant in relation to other comparisons that could be made to, say, the hokkaido ken? The Shiba and Akita are completely different dogs and this does not really add value to the description of the Shiba other than to say that the two breeds look asthetically similar (but so do the Saluki and Afghan Hound which, again, are completely different dog breeds). Stella inu (talk) 12:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't know where to respond because I can't find comment, but we do mention the fact because of the possible confusion, remember children also read this encyclopedia too; Wikipedia:State the obvious, it has to be mentioned, and source gives this for:

• Spitz:<ref>Like most dogs in the spitz family, the Shiba has an independent and bold temperament. He is often reserved with strangers but loyal and affectionate to family members. He is a good watchdog and can be aggressive to other dogs. Although his look is one of dignity and valor, he can get into mischief when left to his own devices.</ref> Hafspajen (talk) 13:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
• Akita: <ref>Description: Shiba Inus are the smallest of the native Japanese dog breeds. To many people, they look like mini Japanese Akitas. In fact, their coloring is very similar to Japanese Akitas. There are a few accepted colorings for the Shiba – red, black and tan, sesame (equal mix of white & black hairs), black sesame (more black than white), and red sesame (red with mix of black). All of these colors must have what is called Urajiro – a whitish coat on sides of muzzle and cheeks, on underside of jaw & neck, on chest and stomach, and on underside of tail and inside of legs. Shibas have a delicate, fox-like face, more like the Japanese Akita than the American Akita.</ref>

• <ref>Temperament: Similar to the other spitz-type Japanese dog breeds, like the Akita, Shiba Inus are well known for their aloof personalities. In general, they are weary of strangers, but very loyal and affectionate to their owners. They have a strong prey drive, and can be aggressive to small animals, young children, and other dogs. Proper socialization and training is a must. Despite this, the Shiba Inu makes an excellent companion and watchdog.</ref>[1]

• Yes it has to be mentioned, because of the possible confusion. Hafspajen (talk) 13:31, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2014

Article states that shibas enjoy puddles and swimming. This is strait up wrong. Most shibas will dislike water and have a tendency to scream and complain if they are forced into water. Some do like swimming, but as a general tendency the article should inform users that shibas are generally hydrophobic. Scarlac (talk) 11:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited a reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or removed from, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Shiba Inu/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

* The article could use a more throrough examination of the subject in certain areas. While the general history of the shiba is present, some of the more specific details are not. A detailed section involving Shiba Inus as pets might be appropriate, but its a slippery slope to write one without turning it into some form of guidebook or advice section. The gallery needs a lot of work. Although I'm not a fan of them in general, it can probably stay to illustrate the physical traits of the breed and the different color patterns but it needs some serious trimming. Right now it is more of a pet photo album for anyone who has a picture of their Shiba.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 18:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 18:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 05:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Mention Doge

There is an entire wikipedia page for Doge, so it was weird to see that there isn't any form of mention to the famous internet meme in this page. A short sentence like "The Shiba Inu was the subject of a famous internet meme" or something like that would be enough.

--2001:4661:7FD5:1:C4D7:DC95:B316:F33A (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Name Change

This page should be moved to "Shiba dog", as not only is the Akita's page named like this, but "Shiba Inu dog" would be redundant since "inu" means "dog" in Japanese. It's a Shiba dog, not a Shiba Dog dog. --Vigilante Girl (talk) 10:03, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

In Japan the name of the breed is written 柴犬 versus say a Scottish Terrier (スコティッシュ・テリア) it may seem redundant, but it's the breed's name here and in the US per the AKC. Mccunicano 10:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

But isn't it the same in Japan for all other Nihon-Ken breeds? (e.g. The Akita is called the Akita Inu (秋田犬) and so forth.) --Vigilante Girl (talk) 10:22, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the AKC is pretty inconsistent about how they've translated the names of the breeds, (Akita, Hokkaido dog, Shiba Inu, Kishu Ken. etc) but that's what they and other organizations (ANKC, CKC) have called the breed.Mccunicano 10:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The Japanese Kennel Club and the FCI call the dog simply "Shiba" - it is unclear why the US and Canadian kennel clubs get to decide its name here on the English-speaking Wikipedia. William Harris (talk) 04:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Because of Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. These publications by the Japanese Kennel Club 1 2 refer to the breed as 柴犬 in Japanese and Shiba Inu in English. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 08:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)