Talk:Shenandoah (band)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 13:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   History: This song was originally recorded by its one of its three writers, former Rockets and Billy Hill member Dennis Robbins, as the B-side to his 1987 single "Two of a Kind, Workin' on a Full House," which was later a Number One for Garth Brooks in 1991. Suggest -... and was later a Number One .... to differentiate the two recordings. Y

   But it was "Two of a Kind" that Garth had a hit with in 1991.

   Yes, I get that but the wording suggests that the original recording by Dennis Robbins was a Number one hit. I take it that the meaning is that Robins recorded the song and that it then became a hit for Garth Brooks. Please clarify.

    Done

   On January 22, 1991, The Road Not Taken also earned a gold certification ... Sugegst drop also.

    Done

   In the wake of The Road Not Taken's success, the band played 300 shows a year in 1989. Suggest ... played 300 shows in 1989.

    Done

   This album also earned a gold certification in the United States. Drop the also.

    Done

   This album also earned a gold certification in the United States. Which name - band name or album name?

   What?

   Oh, looks like you misquoted -- you were referring to which name they got sued over. Clarified.

   After a financial settlement was made with this Tennessee band ... replace this with the.

    Done

   These lawsuits depleted the money that the band had been earning on the road, with Raybon asking the label to pay for one-third of the money. clumsy, maybe The lawsuits depleted the money earned by the band on the road, which led to Raybon asking the label to pay one-third of their legal costs.

   ... after the band paid more than $200,000 on court settlements had paid is better.

    Done to both above.

   After Shenandoah's departure, there were no other bands on Columbia's Nashville division; as a result, producer Larry Strickland assembled three musicians to create a new band called Matthews, Wright & King in an attempt to keep a commercially successful band on the label. - is this really relevant?

   I think that it's an interesting factoid. Shenandoah was their big moneymaker, and all of a sudden, they not only didn't have Shenandoah, they didn't have any bands at all on the label.

   By 1992, the band had moved to RCA Records Nashville, ... Suggest In 1992.

    Done

   Throughout the article its is used as a pronoun for the band - it should be their as they are a plural thing. Likewise has should be replaced by have.

   But shouldn't it be consistent with pronouns? American English dictates that bands are referred to in the singular (i.e., "Shenandoah is," not "Shenandoah are"), and I have checked grammar books that say "The band had its first Number One" is grammatically correct, since "band" is singular.

   Please go through the article line by line to correct overuse of repetitive phrasing and try and avoid phrases such as was led off by; sentences starting with By; Also that year,; After it came the;

    Done

   The critical reception needs to be separated out into its own section. There should also be a separate awards section.

    Done. There is an awards section in a table, and the individual award wins are already mentioned in the article text. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   The article is adequately referenced, but:

   What makes ref #1 [1]. I can't find any editorial policy.

   Removed.

   Ref #10 [2] should make it clear that this is archived by Google News.

   Newsbank archived news items should make clear they they are an archive and subscription is required.

   All online references check out, I assume good faith for off-line references.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   The caption for File:Shenandoah1994.png should make it clear this is magazine cover.

   It's from an inside page, not a cover. I still made it clear that it came from the mag.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   OK, on hold for seven days for the above issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

   Thanks for your hard work, I am happy to now pass this as a good article. Things to conisder if you wish to take this further. The prose could be improved with help from the Guild of Copy Editors. You may need to improve the quality of references if you consider FA status. You may wish to consider adding WP:Alt text to the images to improve accessibility. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

   I'm working on most of these issues right now. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

   Comments below copied from my talk page. Please post comments here so that it is all in one place. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, I still have a couple issues. First of all, as I said, American English dictates that bands are referred to in the singular, and it should be consistent all around, so "The band [verb]ed its nth [noun]" is correct. Also, I don't see any policy that says it's necessary to indicate that I'm pulling newspaper sources from Google News or that I should indicate that a subscription's required -- could you please point me to any such policy? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The singular / plural issue: I had not appreciated that difference but reading several US band FAs I understand that is so.
  • WP:Citing sources#Say where you found the material applies and it is courteous to mention if a subscription is required. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Okay, I did it anyway even though I wasn't sure if it was necessary. Otherwise, it looks like I've addressed all the other issues. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
• Is anything else needed now? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 16:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)