Talk:Second Avenue Subway/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 06:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll do this review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The toolbox to the right suggests that this article needs lots of work:

• 8 External links are dead.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Two are still showing up on the report, which is still a bad thing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

• "I've fixed all bar two of the dead refs". :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

• The article currently links to 8 subway station articles that do not currently exist. These article need to be stubbed out at some point. If the sources exist you may want to do so now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
• The article has numerous paragraphs without WP:IC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
• Even cited paragraphs have direct quotations without ICs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

• I've fixed all bar two of the dead refs, and formatted others. All 8 links are in the template, so I'm not sure how to proceed with that at the moment (I don't have time to go and make 8 articles, as I don't like releasing stubs into mainspace where I can avoid it; I like nice, proper articles). I'll take a step back for now, hopefully someone else will wander in like I did to do some work. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

• I'll be honest that I was going to quickfail this one, but I want to read it since it runs through my old neighborhood. I use to live on East 60th and hated having to walk all the way to the Lex from between 1st and York. Also lived on E96th between 2nd and 3rd. Looks like this does not stop at 59th though so the walk might have been just as long. Anyways, I am going to keep reading.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• It seems to me that this section should describe the elimination of the IRT Second Avenue Line and the IRT Third Avenue Line, which has resulted in the Lex being the busiest subway line in the country (or world if that is correct).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
• Make sure the LEAD summarizes the entire article (something about each section in the table of contents should be in the LEAD, but keep it close to 3000 characters of readable prose.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)
• Unless I am misunderstanding something, this is resulting in a permanent extension of the BMT Broadway Line Q line. This is an extremely important element of the plan and should be in the LEAD. The summary of the whole page is that this is a new line that also extends the Q.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Background

• WP:ICs for all direct quotes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
• Merge or expand the last two stubby paragraphs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

History

• Realized is an awkward verb here. Try recognized or something that has no possible implication that something was built.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
• Match the until dates with from dates for the elevated lines.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
• You need current dollar conversions (see Bobby Orr or Fountain of Time for examples).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Post-war

• This needs WP:ICs all over the place.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
• You need current dollar conversions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

1970s

Completed segments

• You need current dollar conversions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
• Define UMTA as an acronym parenthetically before using it in prose by itself.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I've defined UMTA, I've added current dollar conversions, and I've replaced "realized" in the history section with "recognized". I also merged the last two paragraphs in the background. I haven't done anything with ICs or dates yet, or anything about rewriting the lead. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:22, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Dollar amounts are showing an unusual number of decimal places. E.g., US$98,900,000 (US$1,322,308,333 in 2013 dollars[16]) would look more normal as US$98.9 million (US$1.32 billion in 2013 dollars[16]).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

• That's because I have no idea how to use the latter version, if you could tell me how to, I'd be much obliged (I've never used this conversion template before) :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Current development

• More ICs needed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
• Phase II sounds like an extension of the Phase I reroute rather than another reroute.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
• Deep bore tunneling should state that it is completely underground and clarify that this will not disrupt above ground traffic.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:57, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
• P.S. I would not be surprised if there are articles for the two-track and three-track stations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Construction methods

• Presumably there is some method to the madness of the coloring scheme of the chart. There is no key that is apparent to me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• Why did you spell out TBM here?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Planned SAS route/stations and designation

• Obviously WP:ICs needed throughout.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "Plans call for the Q service to be re-routed to 96th Street" clarify the permanence of this change.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• Why isn't T considered similar to a word?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• I am FAILing this nomination. Many suggestions above need to be addressed. Please consider WP:WIAGA before renominating.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)