Talk:Scott Taylor (politician)

Harvard

Hello,

Before changing Scott Taylor's degree name in his background information - please read this post and engage on the topic.

Some relevant information about Harvard Extension School, straight from the official website:

"We are Harvard—extended to the world for every type of adult learner. We serve students seeking part-time, online courses and nonresidential programs to advance their career or pursue an academic passion. We are a fully accredited Harvard school. Our degrees and certificates are adorned with the Harvard University insignia. They carry the weight of that lineage. Our graduates walk at University commencement and become members of the Harvard Alumni Association. As one of 12 degree-granting institutions at Harvard University, we teach to the largest and most eclectic student body. Our students come to us from every time zone, every culture and career background, every age from 18 to 89."

Source: https://extension.harvard.edu/about/

-Now, that being said. While a degree from HES is both legitimate and Harvard affiliated, it is not the same as an undergrad degree from Harvard college, or a grad degree from Harvard GSAS.

-HES students do not participate in the rigorious, highly selective admissions process traditional students do. Entrance in HES programs is typically open-enrollment, with a "prove your way in" system where you must excel in a few Harvard gatekeeper courses before becoming a degree candidate. Degrees are not "Bachelor of [History]", for example, But "Bachelor of Liberal Arts (ALB), [concentration]".

Additionally, HES students are not able to live in Harvard dorms. Children of HES graduates are not able to claim legacy status.

-For this reason, Harvard requires HES graduates to display their affiliation differently than the other 11 Harvard schools.

From the Harvard Extension School website:

"On your résumé, the degree name may be listed as either: Bachelor [or Master] of Liberal Arts, Harvard University Extension School. Include field of study, minor, and degree honors when applicable. Bachelor [or Master] of Liberal Arts, Extension Studies, Harvard University. Include field of study, minor, and degree honors when applicable."

Source: https://extension.harvard.edu/for-students/degree-candidate-academic-opportunities/participate-in-commencement/ ____

Not properly listing the "Extension" when displaying the HES degree name is misleading and against Harvard's guidance. To a layperson, it could appear that the individual received an undergraduate degree from the traditional school, which is simply not the same.

Therefore Scott Taylor's background information is proper. It should not simply say "Harvard University".

Best,

LyonsDen — Preceding unsigned comment added by LyonsDen1995 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry but your information is misguided.

"-Now, that being said. While a degree from HES is both legitimate and Harvard affiliated, it is not the same as an undergrad degree from Harvard college, or a grad degree from Harvard GSAS."

No degree is the same as any of the others.. this point is pointless.

-HES students do not participate in the rigorious, highly selective admissions process traditional students do. Entrance in HES programs is typically open-enrollment, with a "prove your way in" system where you must excel in a few Harvard gatekeeper courses before becoming a degree candidate. Degrees are not "Bachelor of [History]", for example, But "Bachelor of Liberal Arts (ALB), [concentration]".

The Harvard's Ed program has an acceptance rate of about 50% some of the other Harvard schools have similar rate. Not all Harvard schools are challenging to get into. Extension is roughly a $6000 application process (3 classes) and still has a pass rate of about 30%. To say all the schools except extension are to be treated special is rediculous.

Its not "Harvard Extension" school.. its Harvard "Extension School". Harvard Extension is harvard proper with all the of the rites and privileges afforded.

Additionally, HES students are not able to live in Harvard dorms.

Because they aren't all on campus, not because they have leprosy or something..Additionally they can sublet under certain conditions and have access to dorms during the summer.Also should we qualify all the degrees of people who completed them online because of Covid19? Get serious dude.

Children of HES graduates are not able to claim legacy status.

This is patently false. They have Harvard Alumni Association rights and can claim legacy status. They also have an ID that gets into the same buildings and events as any other Harvard Student..also get this, it's crazy but the ID doesn't say "extension school" it says "Harvard University".

The advice you cited is specifically RESUME advice.

"Therefore Scott Taylor's background information is proper. It should not simply say "Harvard University"." Whether to list his school or his university is an editorial decision. But generally, on Wikipedia, the University which conferred the degree, not the school is listed. Your reasons for changing this are superficial and flawed so I'm switching them back. Additionally, how do you deal with the alumni who got both an ALM and an AM? On Wikipedia they are listed as Harvard University (ALB, AM) as it should be.

I'm sorry but nowhere on the degree does it say "Harvard Extension School" however it does say "Harvard University". It's conferred by the Faculty of Arts and science which issue the college and GSAS as well.

If you have further questions address them here, but the extension school is a full member of Harvard University and it is not false advertising to list Harvard University on the Wikipedia page. Those resume guidelines were specifically addressed to stop confusion between the business school and the college being confused with extension school. This only factors in when you list your major as there are some cross majors. And this is only resume advice. Furthermore, unlike your statements, they are both rigorous and competitive with roughly a $6000 application fee (3 courses) and about a 30% acceptance rate from those wishing a degree. Additionally, even if this wasn't the case, the degree is conferred by Harvard University not the extension school and nowhere on the diploma does it say 'extension school', they have full Alumni Association rites including legacy status, and many go on to get more degrees from Harvard. 65.60.228.170 (talk) 06:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)