Talk:Scanography

opinion

VERY IMPORTANT

SCANOGRAPHY,as presented in Wikipedia, is INCORRECTLY associated with the art, or art creation. Fact is, that it is an activity or process similar to photography, where image is created by equipment called SCANNER. Person who operates the scanner is called SCANOGRAPHER. Also incorrectly, scannography refers to a small table top flatbed scanner (A4, A3). Reality is, that there are also larger scanners with sizes A2, A1, A0, 2xA0 or even larger. Currently the single largest scanner in the world is installed at Studio Art Petrus in Sydney, Australia, where it is used to scan paintings. This scanners was made by Cruse GmbH in Germany, and it can scan objects with dimensions 3 x 1.8m in a single scan.

Scanners are used to scan big variety of objects, including drawings and sketches, paintings, lithographs, screen printed art, posters, old books and documents, textiles, flags, old weapons, negatives with aerial photographs, screen printing films, x-rays, wood veneers, stones, etc. Scanners are used by archives, art reproduction specialists, digitising laboratories, universities, scintific organisations, manufacturers of tiles, wallpaper, floor coverings and textiles, military, publishing companies, and many others.

Yes, scanners can be used to create art, but more appropriately this art should be called "Scanography Art", "Scan Art" or "Scanograph".

While "Scanography" may be a "made up" term. "Scanner Photography" is not accurate either! FINALLY A BOOK HAS BEEN PUBLISHED,albeit in German, "SCANOGRAFIE" by Werner Able (released Fall 2011). And this genre has only a dozen or so printed media books or articles. It's illogical to expect a hard copy verifiability. Especially since printed matter is now being outsold by e-zines, self-published e-books, even video how-to instruction. It's absurd to "verify" the "facts" regarding "scanography" from anything other than the photoartists that have been exploring this medium since the latter 1990's! And I'm terribly sorry if anyone disagrees with the terminology, i.e. "scanography" or "scanographer"! It's NOW (January 2012) firmly established and has been slowly pushing the medical association farther and farther down the search engine results page. And there are MANY established photoartists creating "scanography" whose names/images don't appear in any book or magazine. It is so difficult to get "published" as an "unknown" artist- that being published is more a matter of luck or constant self-promotion. The fine artists who don't practice routine marketing and self-promotion shouldn't be considered any less "established" or less "important" than the ones who have been lucky enough to achieve publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.72.22 (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

The word "scanography" is not that common of a word and if you do a Google search you'll find that it is rarely, if ever, used in any way other than the way it is used here. Since the word seems to be defined by those who use it the same way it is used in this article, and it isn't even found in most dictionaries, the title seems apropriate. John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 16:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

A completely new genre of digital photography is not going to be listed in a dictionary. Not likely it will become a household word. How long did it take the terms "Cubism" or "Rock 'n' Roll" to get into the dictionary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrosegallery (talk • contribs) 21:22, 10 January 2012

Still, only TWO sizes of scanners are available to the photoartist. SIZE shouldn't be an issue here.

A completely new genre of digital photography is not going to be listed in a dictionary. Not likely it will become a household word. How long it it take "Cubism" or "Rock 'n' Roll" to get there? (I mean the term!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrosegallery (talk • contribs) 21:20, 10 January 2012

Call it whatever you want- I'M still calling it "scanography"! And, BTW "Scanner Art" is NOT "scanography". Scanner or Scan "Art" refers to deliberately crudely scanned or deconstructed images. Scanography is "photography" (realistic or abstract). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrosegallery (talk • contribs) 21:45, 10 January 2012

complaint

Someone removed all of the important links to a selection of scanographers and educational, historical or how-to information regarding scanography (scanner phootography). This is an exciting emerging medium. It's development is dependent on experimentation and imagination by the artists who are devoted to it. The community of artists working in this medium is growing rapidly. Since the previous information on this subject was inaccurate, I edited it for the purpose of clarification. However someone questioned the value of this editing and, worse- the new links! If this information is reverted or removed there will be NO information on this subject. So, if you are interested in researching the artists or learning the process visit: photo-vinc.com or scannography.org or scannermagic.com. For a list of over 100 photo-artists working in this medium, contact postmaster@scannography.org or scannermagic.com Christian or Mary will direct you to me.

I don't understand why all the links have disappeared. M. Freshacconci, can you please explain the reasons why you removed them all? How can an article about Art be of any interest if there is no visual possibilities ?!! I would be Ok that we try to find something that everybody is happy with. But throwing everything out isn't the solution. this media needs consideration and it's just the contrary that is happening here. I give a lot of my time for it and I feel just like banished !!!

Christian Staebler —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madscan (talk • contribs) 10:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

In search of sources

I've played around with scanner art before, so I'm willing to work this article over, but I'm having trouble finding reliable sources to do so. The website Scannography.org has a lot of information, but I don't consider that sufficient to establish notability. I've posted a request for sources on an appropriate thread at WetCanvas.com, so I'll see what I can dig up there. scot (talk) 23:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Just an update. The terms "scanography" and "scannography" show up in searches of medical literature (do a Google "scholar" search, and you can see abstracts). This means that the "Scanography" page will at least need a redirect to the appropriate medical imaging page, or be a disambiguation page, with the art content at scanography (art) or scanner art or the like.

For sources, no luck so far on print sources, though I have some inquiries out. In addition to Christian Staebler's websites, I have found some established artists using the technique, such as:

• Tim Fleming, who has a long list of exhibitions and is also an adjunct professor teaching digital art at the collegiate level.
• Mislav Hollos, who has exhibited scannographic art
• Dale Hoopingarner has a number of exhibitions and specializes in scanner art, which he learned from...
• Ellen Hoverkamp, an artist and teacher, through a seminar at
• Tower Hill Botanical Garden

I think this establishes at least enough notability to leave the article in place while some print sources are found. scot (talk) 19:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Some technics and visuals missing

The article is now very complete, in my opinion and with a real structure. I just miss some technics like the one used by Jeff Mihalyo who uses a 3-pass scanner to enhance the colors of each pass and who places the scanner verticaly to scann a whole set and has a rather great depth of field. Mention could also be made on people scanning portraits while moving their face (Simon Gris) or others who take their scanner outside (Patri Feher). The specificity of the resulting image versus photography could be more stated. No perspective, uniform light, the fact that the image is the result of more then 1/60 of second, the top of an image being older from one minute then the bottom… all this makes the specificity of scannography… Madscan (Chris Staebler) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I scanned this image today, which shows motion of the subject against a still background and use of an external source of illumination. That could be used to illustrate these techniques, and I may add it to the article. The section that mentions Mike Golembewski's scanner/camera hybrids does mention the impact of using a moving subject along with the moving scan, though once I find some more sources, I can put together a "techniques" section and move that mention there. scot (talk) 21:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Several creative uses and visual examples of them need to be included. Nor has building a homemade scanning camera or slit scanner been mentioned! These projects need to have separate pages with illustrated plans.We need more pictures of the different subject matter.

in my opinion and with a real structure. I just miss some technics like the one used by Jeff Mihalyo who uses a 3-pass scanner to enhance the colors of each pass and who places the scanner verticaly to scann a whole set and has a rather great depth of field. Mention could also be made on people scanning portraits while moving their face (Simon Gris) or others who take their scanner outside (Patri Feher). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrosegallery (talk • contribs) 21:51, 10 January 2012

Books in print

Books in print featuring chapters devoted to scanography and books illustrated with scanography:

http://www.nardelli-verlag.de/ book: “The Art of Scannografie” by Werner Able (2011) ISBN: 978-3-9814616-0-2 (published in German, not English)

“Natural Companions” by Ken Druse (2012) llustrated with nearly 160 scanner photography images by Ellen Hoverkamp ISBN 10:1584799013 and ISBN 13: 978-1584799016 see: Amazon listing

“Make Your Scanner a Great Design & Production Tool” by Michael J. Sullivan (1998) (featuring Darryl Curran- probably the first scanographer to have a solo exhibit at a gallery) ISBN: 0-321-31630-4 See: Amazon listing

“The Digital Canvas” by Jonathan Raimes (2006) ISBN: 0-8109-9236-1 (with a brief nod to the scanner-captured image) see: Amazon listing

“The NEW Joy of Digital Photography” by Jeff Wignall (2011) (includes scanography by Ellen Hoverkamp pgs 230-235) ISBN 13: 978-1-60059-568-4 and 1600595685 see: Amazon listing

The Magic of Close-Up Digital Photography by Joseph Meehan (2006) ( scanography by Joanne Urban and Ruth Adams, with a detailed how-to by Ruth) ISBN-13: 978-1-57990-652-8 and ISBN-10: 1-57990-653-4 Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Digital-Close-Up-Photography-Lark/dp/B0058M79MC

Josie Iselin has published many gift books featuring scanner photography of natural objects since 2006 see: Amazon listings

“Night Visions: The Secret Designs of Moths” by Joseph Scheer (2003) Close-up images of moths, all scanner captured presented in a coffee table sized book. ISBN-13: 978-3791329680 and ISBN-10: 3791329685 see: Amazon listing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrosegallery (talk • contribs) 20:39, 10 January 2012

about 3D scanning

The 3D scanning described here belongs on it's own page called "3D Scanning" (or an appropriate topic). The information HERE should be BRIEF. The reader should be re-directed to the detailed how-to information on an external link. Many creative scanning methods, for example- animating a series of scans, outdoor ("plein air") scanning and building a homemade scanner camera or a slit scanner have not been discussed. Any lengthy, detailed instructions or plans belong on eHow, Ask.com, YouTube or your own how-to web page where video and a lot of pictures would be more helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackrosegallery (talk • contribs) 21:45, 10 January 2012

I think it's fine the way it is. It is brief, as it should be. John Elson★3Dham★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 20:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Inverting scanner?

Does someone know a flatbed scanner model that can be used upside down? I want to scan a larger piece of paper, and I think it would be faster to move the scanner than the paper. Unfortunately my Epson doesn't like being turned on its head at all. Thank you for your ideas! --87.157.84.35 (talk) 14:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)