Talk:Sbai

Unreliable source

This book makes extensive references to one source: Thai Clothing: Sabai, Thai-Style Dresses, Phra Kiao, Thai Fisherman Pants (Books LLC, ISBN: 9781158488735). This source is, at best, questionable, and appears to be an extract of Wikipedia articles. (I.e. this article is using an external copy of itself as a reference.) Are better sources available?? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

I've just done a rewrite of the article, and it appears the book does plagiarise from Wikipedia, so I've treated it as an unreliable source and removed it as part of the larger reorganisation and clean-up effort. I hope it looks better now. Epistulae ad Familiares (talk) 06:53, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd be careful of the use of the term "plagiarise". It is well within the Wikipedia terms of use to copy sections of the encyclopedia for independent publication, as long as the original Wikipedia articles are acknowledged within the book. Books LLC has apparently made a business of this. That said, I appreciate your efforts to clean up the article from more reliable sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice! I take back the part about plagiarism. I will be more cautious and precise about my choice of words. Epistulae ad Familiares (talk) 07:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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• Angkorian women wearing sbai.png

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Move request

I think the Sbai article should be moved to Shawl-like garments. I feel that the current Sbai article places too much emphasis on its connection to Cambodia, and I also found the sources in the Cambodia section to be unreliable.Tmaoa492s (talk) 13:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

The concern, that the title following the Cambodian term does not reflect the international scope of the article, is a valid one. A neutral English-language term should be preferred if one exists and is commonly used by reliable sources, but "Shawl-like garment" is neither recognisable nor specific enough. Museum collections seem to either use "breast cloth"[1] or "shoulder cloth"[2], but neither of these are specific to the form found in Mainland Southeast Asia. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Disagree, it should remain as is. The terminology 'sbai' can be compared to 'sari', and is deserving of its own page, just as sari has it's own. Sbai and variants of the word are the majority pronunciation for the garment. Shawl-like garments is too broad and removes the historical importance of sbai in Southeast Asia. MosheeYoshee (talk) 22:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Woman with sbai

The woman with sbai in gallery

topic

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Femme-serail.jpg

Was Siamese referring to book Siam, Land und volk by DR. Von karl Siegfried dohring, architector, historian in 1909

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-royal-asiatic-society/article/abs/siam-by-karl-dohring-band-i-land-und-volk-band-ii-die-bildende-kunst-mit-ausnahme-der-plastik-munich-georg-muller-verlag-der-indische-kulturkreis-in-einzeldarstellungen-1923/64685EA5EA6B8A3595BE3D1D3E21CE7E

Maijimizio (talk) 02:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Ang Mey pic was in "1866".

First Khmer woman wearing sbai's pic is Ang mey's pic which was photographed by Emile Gsell in 1866. While First Siamese woman wearing sbai was Rama IV's wife photographed by Pierre Joseph Rossier in 1861. MTha8456 (talk) 14:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Origin of Sbai word

Add root of Sbai word from Austronesian Comparative Dictionary [3]https://www.trussel2.com/ACD/acd-s_s1.htm#9620 Rui.orfao (talk) 05:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)