Talk:Sans (Undertale)

Moving to Sans (Toby Fox)

Why isn't Sans (Toby Fox) a print worthy title? Faster than Thunder (talk) 22:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

What's wrong with Sans (Undertale)? If we are disambiguating fictional characters in titles, we typically parenthesize the show or series they are from, not the name of the creator. See Spike_(character) for some examples. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Can we use Sans (Undertale/Deltarune)? Faster than Thunder (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The current name is fine. Why would we change the name based on a brief appearance in another game? Also see the move discussion above where the current name was proposed. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:26, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The typical naming convention for characters appearing in multiple games would be Sans (character), although I don't think he has yet had a major enough role in Deltarune to merit this (at least, yet). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox image

Question: why is the infobox image a 3D render rather than how Sans appears in Undertale? Both are/can be fair-use images. Spinixster (chat!) 09:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

To show how the character appears in color, while the sprites were deemed too low resolution.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I see what you mean, but I'm not sure those reasons necessarily outweigh the value the sprite depiction would/could have. The sprite depiction is way Sans appears for the preponderance of his appearances in media. It's what readers will most likely recognize, if they do recognize Sans. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

The design her doesn't take away from that, and he's appeared in enough external media it's fair to argue for (case in point, consider someone only knowing him from the Smash Bros. skin)--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2024

in the part after it says "the camera zooms on him it never gets old" the article says "Its boss fight" but it should say "His boss fight" or "It's boss fight" 136.36.47.34 (talk) 22:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Closed as this was  Done by User:Ohnoitsjamie. ― novov (t c) 01:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Images used for Undertale character articles

Why use fangamer renders instead of the pixel art sprites which appear in the game? FizzleDrunk (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@FizzleDrunk, you should read the discuss section Infobox image so you could learn. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah, understood FizzleDrunk (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

Changing the line "In January 2022, a rendition of Sans' theme, "Megalovania", was played in front of Pope Francis." to "In January 2022, a rendition of Sans' battle theme, "Megalovania", was played in front of Pope Francis." Since it is a point of debate if Megalovania is actually Sans' theme or Chara's theme. To make it more understandable for people wanting to learn about the character and not interested in game theories, that simple change would be factually correct and still easy to understand. Persea gatuna (talk) 21:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done, though with slightly altered wording. ― novov (t c) 05:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Planning to GA

Tagging some authors here? GoatLordServant and Skyshifter Hey peeps, so I might be planning to make this article into GA, but I need some help on lead and maybe a bit in appearances section like the quote stuff as a source should be fine? Thank you. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I think I'm finished. Feel free to copyedit for something. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 02:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Greenish Pickle!: I can't tell what the bit 'When Fox first designed Sans, he did so to make more skeleton puns, but he didn't think it was humorous enough, so he later scrapped it for artist Temmie Chang.' is trying to say. Would you may write it more legibly? I can't make sense of it enough to fix. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 12:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Its over here [1]. You have to make a word for yourself thou. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 12:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

That site is blocked on my laptop. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 12:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It was all written like this on concept art. Toby Fox: Uhh. He looked different, but Sans was just Sans. Originally he was going to tell more skeleton puns, but it wasn't as funny as I thought it would be. Temmie Chang: Temmy figuring out Sans's outfit. He was going to be running poker at the casino at some point. Oh yeah, there isn't acasino... is there?

Anyway. I also added you as a conom for GA nomination. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 12:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sans (Undertale)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs) 12:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

No way it's Sans Undertale. Will try to get this done in the coming days. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) @GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Review

Six Good Article Criteria

1. The prose is riddled with numerous typos and errors, but I'm willing to give it a pass since overall the article is well written and says what it needs to.

2. Most info is in the article, and any not cited information has been pointed out below, and it only applies to plot info. Earwig picks up no major copyright violations beyond the direct quotations.

3. The article, I would say, is not broad in its coverage. Nearly all of the sources in the article's Reception are trivial and do not aid in an understanding or analysis of Sans. While some sources do help, there is not enough here to establish a proper Reception section beyond something incredibly- and pardon the pun- barebones.

4. Article is neutral, and does not take a stance on a particular issue or topic.

5. Article appears stable. No major edit conflicts in the days prior to editing nor recently.

6. Article has two fair use images and a fair use media file. All three have valid uses and rationales in the article.

Lead

-"and first appeared in" change and to who.  Done

-"Initially appearing as a friendly NPC with an easy-going, laid-back personality and also the brother of Papyrus." is not a proper sentence, I'd change this to "He initially appears as... and is also the brother of Papyrus."  Done

-"He was originally created as a character to make more skeleton puns, though Fox did not like this idea as it was not humorous enough, so he scrapped it." Confused on this since Sans wasn't scrapped? Reword this to be more clear.  Done

Concept and design

-"and at this point in development the character was called "Comic Sans" after the typeface, described simply as the brother of the game's second boss Papyrus, following the same naming scheme." A bit of a run-on sentence. I'd shorten this a bit.  Done

-"Sans refers to itself in as サンズ/Sanzu, which may refer to the 三途の河/Sanzu River, also known as the "Sanzu no kawa" or the river that separates life from death, and judges for those that pass it." Change "itself" to "himself" and fix up grammar at the "judges for those that pass it" section.  Done

-"Sans uses oira, and anta, and sometimes omae towards his friends and he also switches his gender-neutral speaking style into omae and ore when he is either being serious or talking to his brother, and then also uses sentence finals such as sa and na." Run-on sentence once again. I'd split this sentence.  Done

-"When Sans meets the main character, he tells a story where he again switches to "Kansai ben" about a meeting he had in the woods. He only does this once, and in other ways, he speaks the standard language." Entirely confused as to what this is supposed to mean. The following sentences are also very confusing, especially as someone entirely unfamiliar with Japanese as a language. I'd add clarification for the various things you're referring to here because this is entirely unfriendly to readers without this knowledge.  Done

-Your sourcing on the language stuff mostly seems to hail from a master's thesis. I am unfortunately unfamiliar, but I'm not entirely certain of the reliability of this source in regards to the info you're trying to verify. I'd suggest trying to find a better source, unless I am completely wrong, in which case correct me. **It has been cited multiple times, and this whos that the master's thesis is reliable (It has been also used in other Undertale articles by other Users as well). GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Appearances

-"Sans is a skeleton wearing a blue jacket, black shorts with white stripes, and white slippers." not really relevant to the appearances.  Done removing

-"Unlike his brother Papyrus, Sans claims has no interest in capturing humans." Add he, which I've done myself since it's a minor fix. I'd also suggest finding a better source than a quote, but that won't affect the article's potential promotion either way. This appears to be trivia now.  Done removing

-Source the info of Sans following the player through the Underground.  Done

-The quote used for Sans's phone call does not support what you're saying. Find a better source for this.  Done

-The cut content appears for fitting for "Concept and design" than appearances. I'd also remove the "Afterward."  Done

-"Outside the Undertale" change to "Outside of Undertale"  Done

-Remove the comma after "where" in the sentence about his Deltarune appearance.  Done

Promotion and Reception

-I'd change "being featured" to "such as" in the second sentence of the second paragraph.  Done

-The Kotaku quote seems to be trivial coverage, as it only covers Sans's associations with Gaster, and the "endearing" quote is a single sentence.  Done removing

-Change "he said that he is" in the Dualshockers quote to something like "stating that." I'd also shorten the quote to cut out the teddy bear bit.  Done

-The Polygon source seems pretty trivial. Good for showing his popularity but the comments themselves don't add much.

• I dosagree with this one, polyon of all other sourced you mentioned here seems to be valuable to me.

-"Destructoid writer CJ Andriessen believed that Sans' appearance in Smash Bros. had increased to his desire, and thought that he was too late to play Undertale." Firstly, the grammar here needs improvement, with "increased to his desire" being better as "increased his desire." Secondly, this sentence does not contribute anything to Sans's notability, referring more to the game to him. Thirdly, this is a trivial mention, with the article only mentioning Sans once.  Done removing

-Not critical but you can definitely expand the Reception with the info from the parasocial relationships paper. There looks to be a lot in there at a glance.  Done not really a lot in that article, as we should only cite what he says in the conclusion. So expanded now.

-Sans in the Klausen article is a trivial mention, and the article and quote themselves are more about the game than Sans.  Done removing

-The Walker Kotaku quote appears to be relatively trivial. Not terrible but it doesn't provide much.  Done removing

-"Writer Frederic Seraphie compared the battle with Sans to "breaking the fourth wall," stating that genocide happens in the game, notably in the fight with Sans. He considered using genocide as a metaphorical way to "break" Undertale after concluding that it is the most ludonarratively dissonant game mechanic. He continued by saying that the battle against Sans disrupts numerous processes." Genocide being in the game is a bit of a given, given that we just had the Genocide Route described to us. Try shortening it and removing the unneeded context. Also, I'd use a term not as wordy as "ludonarratively" given that not many readers will know what that word means. Additionally, what "numerous processes" does Sans disrupt? How does he do it? I can't access the source due to a citing error, so I can't really comment on its reliability or analysis content, but I'd improve this section a lot.  Done I jist ended up the disruptive stuff being removed as it looks irrelevant

-The leitmotif article just states whenever Sans's leitmotif pops up, and offers no commentary, with even the bit being cited just showing how a different theme evolves the Sans leitmotif (Which is in and of itself a trivial mention.)  Done removing

-The 700 Club source doesn't really ad d much. It just states a minor incident happens with Sans and moves on. The summary is unneeded, especially the direct quote, and in my eyes doesn't constitute as SIGCOV.  Done removing   -Add quotations to the Destructoid quote at the end of the Tumblr Sexyman paragraph, since that's a direct quote from the article in question.  Done

-Technically not Reception, but the source about Patrick and Sans doesn't really need to be given as external reading. If it's important, cite it in the article. Done removing

Overall

I frankly cannot pass this article. There are too many glaring issues or problems present for me to say that this can be passed, and edits of the magnitude needed are too much to justify putting this GAR on hold. My advice for the nominators would be to find in-depth sources discussing Sans, akin to a couple of the sources used (Sources like the ones discussing Sans and Papyrus's relationship, the Parasocial relationships, etc) instead of trivial mentions, and to either remove or condense those. I would also patch up the various grammatical issues and clarify the Concept and design section so readers can better understand it. I do hope my comments will help with further improving the article, however, and I wish the nominators the best of luck with improving this article in the future.

Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I already fixed it and renominated for another reviewer to check it. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024

"He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font of the same name" is awkward/redundant phrasing. Please change to "He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font". 12.0.209.58 (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done. λ NegativeMP1 16:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Sans (Undertale)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Greenish Pickle! (talk · contribs) GoatLordServant (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Cocobb8 (talk · contribs) 20:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Last updated: 12:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC) by Hilst

Status:  Passed

100% reviewed

   

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Overall:

Comments from first read-through:

@Greenish Pickle!: I am starting this review. Please let me know if you have any questions during the review process!

@Greenish Pickle!: The article reads really great and is easy to understand, Here are some comments from my first read-through (I've been bold and corrected all other minor issues). If you'd like me to put the review on hold so you can work on them, please let me know. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I am going to do some of the things I can do over the span of the next hour or so. Thank you. ~ GoatLordServant^(Talk) 17:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@GoatLordServant Thanks for helping out! I'll be finishing off my review by Thursday. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

P.S. added GoatLordServant as a co-nom since I forgot hehe. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Lead

Sans the Skeleton is a character in the 2015 video game Undertale, developed by Toby Fox. Who is developed by Toby Fox, the game or the character? If it's both, then mention it.  Done Removed mention of Toby Fox in the immediate sentence.

Sans appears in Deltarune, where he can only be found at his shop, which is a remodeled version of Grillby's Diner from the original game. A bit more context about Deltarune could be helpful here, like the release date.  Done Added release date.

He was created by Fox with support from the artist Temmie Chang. This might be redundant; deleting mention of Toby Fox in the article's first sentence to keep that here, or simply move it out of the lead.  Done Solved redundancy

He was originally created as a character to make more skeleton puns What puns? This brings questions right away, so you might want to say something like (...) was originally created as a humorous character or whatever you see fit. Given that this sentence is also repeated in the next section, it is necessary to rephrase it.  Done Removed sentence. Could potentially be worked back in, come better phrasing, but I don't know how to fix that one.

His name is based on the Comic Sans font, which is used for most of his in-game dialogue and communicates with the sans typeface, which had to be changed to a "cutesy irreverent typeface" when translated into Japanese. Consider splitting that sentence.  Done Split down the middle.

Concept and design

(...) he added the spotlight. What spotlight?  Done

When translating Undertale into Japanese, however, this needed to be changed due to being difficult to translate. Unless I'm wrong, it might be better to say (...) due to it being (...)  Done I think I implemented what you meant.

"Megalovania", the song used during the boss battle against Sans, had previously been used within Homestuck and in one of Fox's EarthBound ROM hacks. How is that linked to the paragraph? Consider moving it elsewhere.  Done moved.

There is a full paragraph about the translations into Japanese. Though there seems to be great sources supporting this, it might (and this is my opinion here) be great to condense it a little bit, as it seems to get off-topic.

• This master thesis was apparently cited multiple times in journal, so I would say this is a reliable to use. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

  Awesome then! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure where is the part that needs to be condensed (btw I'm not native in English). But, anyway all of your concern seems to be addressed =). GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Greenish Pickle!, It's OK, you explained what was going on with that paragraph. I'm not native in english either ;-) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Appearances

(...) appearance in the "Last Corridor" Is that an episode of Undertale? This could be clarified.  Done Clarified meaning

Promotion and reception

Sans received multiple pieces of merchandise. You could say that he was shown on multiple pieces of merchandise instead.  Done Implemented

During the Undertale Q&A (...). Does an article exist for it? If not, a little more context, like a date, could be helpful.  Done added a date.

On a Quora topic, someone commented, “Sans and Papyrus are so darn perfect with each other. Sans, being the depressed and punny lazy skeleton and Papyrus, being the cheerful and loving brother… They complement each other so perfectly.” Quora is not a reliable source, as it is user-generated.  Done removed. has no place here.

Other GA requirements:

@Greenish Pickle!: @GoatLordServant: The article excellently complies with all manual of style requirements. No issues found there.

Running Copyvio Detector, ReFill and IABot, no blatant issues found with the citations. Conducting a sources spot-check for verifiability, no issues found either.

The article does not go off-topic and addresses the main aspects of the article effectively.

The article is written from a neutral POV, and has an appropriate reception section for critics.

Checking the article's history, article is quite stable, no major changes besides GAR improvements.

Finally, appropriate media is used, all using relevant copyright tags.

@Greenish Pickle!: @GoatLordServant: This concludes my review.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User:Cocobb8 Many thanks for the review. Really appreciate it! GreenishPickle! (🔔) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Sans was crowned as "Ultimate Tumblr Sexyman" on the same day that Elizabeth II died? Source: https://www.polygon.com/23344824/reigen-arataka-toby-fox-fan-fic-undertale-sans-tumblr-sexyman
  • ALT1: ... that Sans barely won a tournament for the title of Ultimate Tumblr sexyman? Source: https://kotaku.com/undertale-sans-toby-fox-mob-psycho-100-reigen-arataka-1849512678 https://www.polygon.com/23344824/reigen-arataka-toby-fox-fan-fic-undertale-sans-tumblr-sexyman

• • ALT2: ... that Sans' boss theme, Megalovania, was played at the Vatican as part of a papal audience circus act for Pope Francis? Source: https://www.polygon.com/22870441/pope-undertale-toby-fox-megalovania https://kotaku.com/the-pope-listened-to-undertales-megalovania-in-the-year-1848314246

Improved to Good Article status by Greenish Pickle! (talk) and GoatLordServant (talk). Self-nominated at 23:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sans (Undertale); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

• Article is long enough, promoted to GA within the window, and generally in excellent shape. Hooks check out and are sourced; I like the incongruity of ALT0. Pace the GA reviewer, there is a minor problem with the FUR on File:Undertale Art Book sans progession.png: the FUR includes as a key term The use of a low resolution screenshot from software or a website will not impact the commercial viability of the software or site., but this image is a scan from a book, not a screenshot. The FUR therefore needs to be updated to take into account the true source of the image and the commercial opportunities, if any, exploited or exploitable by the copyright holder. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

UndercoverClassicist Already changed by someone. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Tumblr sexyman just appeared on the front page as a DYK on 6 April. I'm striking the first two hooks as too similar. gobonobo ^{+ c} 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Happy to Approve ALT2 on that basis. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 08:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

What basis, for these propositions?

The article says, "[Sans] has also gained popularity because of his prominence in several user-created mods and other projects, as well as his use as an Internet meme." What is the factual basis for stating this? How was his popularity assessed, and when was it assessed, and by whom? Please provide a link to an explanation of the methodology that was used to differentiate the direction of causality in these two relationships:

1. The effect of the character's popularity on the frequency of his being selected as the subject of game mods and memes; and
2. The effect of the frequency of his appearances in secondary media on his popularity.

Thank you for your attention to these matters because some of this article's assertions strike me as being rather slippery. —catsmoke ^talk 05:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

While I wouldn't ask for quite as detailed an analysis—bordering on or becoming a kind of original research—I'll point out that the sentence OP pointed out from the lead seems to invert what the body text of the article says (permanent link): He has also been well-received by Undertale fans, being the subject of many fan works and projects, such as in numerous games, creations, and video game mods. That's to say, according to the body text, Sans's appearance in mods is evidence of his popularity, rather than a cause of it. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You both make a lot of sense! Do you have a suggestion for how to change? Specifically from "what" to "what"? Thanks. I will do my best as I try to finish the copyedit. Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 12:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant that his critics praised the character for his humor, and boss fight, including its musical theme, "Megalovania. (Sans became popular because of his boss fight and its song, which he also became an internet meme for somehow.) So I'm not sure how to make a word about all of that. Also, the "breaking the fourth wall" mention should be removed, as well as the Smash Bros. thing because it looks irrelevant now to mention like that. (Non-native English) GreenishPickle! (🔔) 13:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, understood.  Done See what you think.
And I think I have resolved the other similar issue/s later in the article raised by @Catsmoke: and @Hydrangeans:. (the connection between popularity, meme-hood, song, how it all happened, consistent statements of causality in the article overall, sounding like OR or not quite NPOV etc.). I hope it's now less "slippery", more consistent, and more neutral; if it is worded better, you can thank @Greenish Pickle!:, not me. And, if not ok, I'm sure you all can fix my shoddy work. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 16:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

No. I should thank you for your efforts for this article. I'm not quite sure about the lead a little bit, but ill recheck it again once I woke up. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 16:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I feel like this lead should be fine now. Thanls to the copyguild editor. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

"the Skeleton" naming

Forgive me if I sound a bit pedantic, but I'm not sure "the Skeleton" is suitable to put as Sans' bolded name in the lead based on one line from the game. It could very easily be considered a description of what type of monster he is rather than his full name, and a good majority of sources call him merely Sans. ― novov (t c) 05:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

hmmm. Kinda make sense. Self reverting myself. Thanks for weighing up at the talk page. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 05:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Content changes made to 'Sans in Japanese' and 'PSR ideas by Elvery'

As part of a GOCE edit, I amended some content a bit more than slightly to support and help make clear the ideas of previous contributors, using the already cited relevant sources. This applies to two sections:

• In the section about the Japanese version of Sans (under Concept and design), I added supporting text and changed some paraphrased ideas, using the main cited source for guidance. This was an attempt to make the ideas more clear, readable, and to match the source. I am not an expert in Japanese; but I took ideas from the source and also added some direct quotations for support.
• In the section about 'PSRs with Sans' by Gabriel Elvery (under Critical reception), I added material and rephrased some, based on my reading of the cited paper by Elvery. The previous version was concise but a little unclear, and it had some unattributed quotes. Using the cited source, I attempted to flesh out the argument and included direct quotation; in addition, I amended some of the paraphrasing, while attempting to retain points made by previous contributor(s). My changes made the section longer—I hope not too long.
• In the PSR section, I have corrected for the preferred pronouns 'they/their' of the cited author (Elvery), using the author's last name in place of pronouns, added a citation as reference for both their pronoun usage and academic credentials.

I am not an expert on any of the content topics. If something about my changes could be improved, please do so, or start a discussion in a new thread below to make content suggestions. This thread is just to acknowledge my a bit more than slight content changes, during a GOCE edit focused on readability, MOS style, issues of attribution, etc. Thanks. —Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I trust your edits and I will say that once again, thank you for the efforts. Greenish Pickle! (🔔) 22:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)