Talk:San Jose State Spartans

Hyphens vs. Dashes

Thanks to ZappOMatic for pointing out that Wiki style rules call for en dashes in sports scores and win/loss records and not hyphens. (Hyphens are the Associated Press standard, whereas Wiki and CMOS use en dashes.) I had changed a number of en dashes to hyphens in order to achieve consistency across the entire article. Zappa was correct to undo these changes, but in so doing created inconsistency once again. Perhaps in the future, if undoing a revision creates inconsistency, leave a more specific directive or simply follow through and edit for consistency at the same time the revision is entered. Please and thanks. Onward! Londonfifo (talk) 16:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

San Jose vs. San José

I've suggested moving this page to "San Jose" - please see the central discussion at Talk:San José State University#San Jose vs. San José - Round #2.   Will Beback  talk  22:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Official text logo

I think SJSU uses the interlocking "SJ" more often - see this Instagram post. File:San José State Athletics wordmark.svg derives a wordmark from the header of women's basketball game notes. There's also File:San José State Athletics wordmark.png, which uses an obsolete text header from the SJSUSpartans.com website used before spring 2016 (from what I recall).

In contrast, the interlocking "SJ" is used more often in promotional material like the aforementioned Instagram post as well as SJSU clothing, like these hats. Arbor to SJ (talk) 07:29, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Arbor to SJ: If you look at the website, they do NOT use it for EVERY sport. They just use it for baseball. Just because they use something for 'promotional' material, doesn't mean that is a logo they want to use to identify with. The University of Delaware had contacted me about not using their "D" logo because it is only for marketing. They do not use the interlocking logo on any of the team website, media guide, games notes, etc. except for baseball (look at the website). There is a big difference between marketing and an actual school's logo. I'm reverting your edits once again. I've left them on the baseball articles, where the logo is mainly used.

Also, by you adding it to season articles when the interlocking "SJ" was NOT even around, you are misleading other users and visitors. At least try to be accurate. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 16:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

They use File:San José State Athletics wordmark.svg in the 2016 Spartan Football Program Guide (pages 2, 3 7, 10, 26) and the list goes on. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 18:32, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

For now, I've restored the original "SPARTANS" wordmark for seasons between 2013-14 and 2015-16. The SJSU Spartans Facebook page still uses that two line wordmark in its profile pic.

However, looking at the cover of the 2016 football media guide, the case can be made that football embraces the interlocking SJ logo, because it's on the short sleeves of the jerseys. And this 2014 photo of Ron Caragher shows him wearing a sweater with the interlocking SJ. Arbor to SJ (talk) 18:38, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced the "SJ" is their primary wordmark. If it were, the "SJ" would be everywhere... the main webpage, uniforms (football and baseball right now [but that's it]), the logo they uses when a program is uploading on the website, etc. They use both of the full wordmarks on a majority of the website. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 18:46, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

And now you're using a wordmark that's even rarer - only from water polo game notes. The other wordmark is more prominent on jerseys and even the basketball court and football end zones.

That said, let's find a way to convert file:San José State Athletics wordmark.png to SVG. Arbor to SJ (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I realized that after I uploaded it. I was working on fixing it. It's been done now. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 19:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion

Go to this video at the 12:25 mark, and you'll see that ESPN uses File:San Jose State interlocking SJ.png to accompany the Spartan Head logo. Also, this 2015 photo shows the "SJ" logo on the shoulder sleeves of the football jersey. These indicate that the Interlocking SJ is a major part of the SJSU athletics identity. Arbor to SJ (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

They use it on their football uniforms, that is it besides baseball. It is clearly not a primary mark for Athletics. Based off of the website: Basketball, Volleyball, Softball, and almost every other sports teams do not use this logo. They are either using this logo or this logo as the logo when the spartan isn't used. The interlocking logo is not as commonly used as the wordmarks. You are misleading visitors by displaying the wrong logo.

You should also learn WP:BRD – you were bold and made the change, and I reverted, so you shouldn't revert again until a consensus can be made. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 01:07, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I also found on the cover of the 2011-12 men's basketball media guide photos of players (presumably from the 2010-11 season) wearing jerseys that had the SJ wordmark.

And softball does use the SJ logo on its helmets and jerseys, as seen on the cover of the 2017 media guide, 2015 media guide, 2009 media guide, and 2008 media guide. There is plenty of evidence that the "SJ" wordmark has been part of SJSU's identity before and after the 2013 rebrand. Arbor to SJ (talk) 15:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

They still only use it on the uniforms and corners of the media guides. The wordmarks (listed above) are currently used way more than the interlocking logo (media guides, uniforms, websites, etc.). If it was one of their most important marks, they'd be using it as their main secondary mark (logo on website instead of the wordmark). Obviously, we are not going to agree on this so either we can do a RFC or we can email the Athletics Dept. and find out for ourselves and send the result to OTRS so an admin can verify it. Corky ^{Buzz by the Hornet's Nest} 00:34, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I favor the wordmark for all uses. It appears the most and most prominently, it's the header of the website, the FB page, etc. And if there was any doubt, the marketing department gets the final call. It doesn't appear once in their branding guide. Basically, the SJ in only used in secondary positions, and only because they've got a small box to fill where the wordmark doesn't work (intended). - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 02:56, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Mnnlaxer (talk · contribs) - that sounds reasonable. Which wordmark though? file:San José State Spartans wordmark.svg (which was the SJSUSpartans.com website header from 2013-16 includes "SPARTANS") or file:San José State Athletics wordmark.svg (which does not include "SPARTANS" and doesn't appear as prominently)? Keep in mind - a variant of the first linked wordmark is used on the SJSU football facebook page. Arbor to SJ (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I would prefer the one with Spartans in it. But for no good reason other than it has Spartans in it, thus specific to athletics rather than the whole University. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 01:21, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Who awarded the 1968 Men's Water Polo championship?

There's currently no listed organization that awarded the 1968 Men's Water Polo championship. The only contemporary source I can find about the championship is from the Spartan Daily article on the event, which states that it was an NCAA championship, and is repeated by this booklet promoting the team's return in 2015. However, the NCAA states that they only started holding the championship in 1969, so the claims in the sources listed above are probably erroneous unless I'm missing something. Aside from those two sources, I could not find any material that detailed what championship they won and who awarded it. SammySpartan (talk) 18:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Here are some newspaper clippings at newspapers.com from the 1968 national invitational tournament:

https://www.newspapers.com/image/705821835/?match=1&clipping_id=137356361

https://www.newspapers.com/image/705821742/?match=1&clipping_id=137356281

https://www.newspapers.com/image/720508879/?match=1&clipping_id=137359507

https://www.newspapers.com/image/839919429/?match=1&clipping_id=137356246

https://www.newspapers.com/image/383062152/?match=1&clipping_id=137356221

https://www.newspapers.com/image/996948710/?match=1&clipping_id=137356190

The tournament was held in the very same pool where the 1969 first official NCAA tournament took place 12 months later. My guess in that the university, Cal State Long Beach, decided to run an invitational as a test event for hosting the first NCAA championship.

Spartans results:

San Jose State 10–5 USC

San Jose State 4–3 (OT) UC Irvine

San Jose State 6–3 Cal State Long Beach

Jeff in CA (talk) 04:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)