Talk:Saitō Hajime (Rurouni Kenshin)/GA1

Latest comment: 12 years ago by ChrisGualtieri in topic GA Review

GA Review edit

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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 15:06, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

Review edit

I'm going to start with the checklist and explain afterwards.

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
  1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Prose is clear, but could be better.
  1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Has weasel words which need to be fixed, otherwise fine.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
  2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Almost all official, Anime News Network is acceptable for commentary.
  2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Some issues, mostly minor which need to be fixed.
  2c. it contains no original research. Some comments contain weasel words and are unattributed.
3. Broad in its coverage:
  3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. No major issues.
  3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). It seems like a battle between the historical figure and the creator for a good chunk of this article. This has to be addressed.
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Due to the previous comments it assists in attacking the creator, not neutral. Weasel words and skewed bias in favor of the character.
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No edit wars.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. Acceptable.
  6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Not the best pictures, but relevant.
  7. Overall assessment. This has some work, specifics follow. It is close to passing.


I have major concerns with the article battling the creator and the historical figure for the majority of the article. "Saitō Hajime (1844–1915) was an actual historic figure of the Meiji era who was the captain of the third squad of the Shinsengumi." This should be preceded or fixed with something like "Nobuhiro Watsuki based Saitō Hajime..."

Secondly, "In the development of Rurouni Kenshin Watsuki planned for Saitō to be a "dirty" hero who maintains his "Swift Death to Evil" policy and does not become "a nice guy" and "palsy-walsy" with Kenshin's group. Hajime has no specific model for his design." No citation and argumentative and frankly insulting with 'palsy-walsy'.

Next, "Watsuki received negative feedback from Shinsengumi fans who believed that Saitō had a more handsome face than the "villain-ish" face Watsuki used. In his defense Watsuki said that no photographs of Saitō exist; Watsuki added that while portraits exist, "if you think that's handsome, well, your mileage may vary, okay?" Watsuki recalled that one of the complaints criticized Saitō's selling of "Ishida powdered medicine" from the Hijikata family. Watsuki said that was "just me, fooling around" and that while he would take criticism for some aspects, "when people start complaining about stuff like that...come on now." [7] Watsuki stated that he received negative feedback letters regarding Saitō and received some positive feedback letters "in response."[8]" This is unacceptable. The article actually engages in the dispute. Watsuki's comments should be minimal and not used in such a way.

More so, "He later changed his name to Fujita Gorō (藤田 五郎?) (which the real life Saitō used) and started working for the Meiji Government as a spy agent.[6][15] Saitō is also married to a woman named Tokio (時尾?), who does not appear in the story." The ties to the historical figure are allowed in one brief section, preferably not in detail. Do not pick apart the character and bring the historical figure into the picture. It ruins the flow.

The sections for Personality and Abilities have weasel words and unsourced claims which seem to be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. "A ruthless fighter, Saitō has no compassion or mercy for his enemies. He lives by the Shinsengumi code "Swift Death to Evil" (悪即斬 Aku Soku Zan?, also translated loosely as "Evil Unto Evil", where evil is killing[17]), though he never shows much regard for human life, at some points even letting on that he likes to kill. He is rather arrogant, morbid and cynical. Nevertheless, none of these character flaws prevent him from being a superb investigator and fighter. He believes in peace and order, even in the society created by the Imperialists, his former enemies. Anyone he considers to be corrupt or despotic, he targets for elimination.[18]" Give examples do not state it as a matter of fact without a source.

Abilities section has some problems with the weasel words as well, "Besides his overwhelming ability with a sword, Saitō is extremely well versed in hand-to-hand combat. His fighting style mostly resembles boxing as he possesses amazing footwork, defense, tremendous speed and immense physical strength. This is evident when he effortlessly pummels Sagara Sanosuke in a fistfight.[21] Saitō is also an able observer and extremely analytical in battle, much like Hiko Seijūrō, and can exploit his opponent's weaknesses quite easily, such as Kenshin's reliance on his quick judgment, to which he replies by kicking him to the back rather than with the sword despite having taken his sword up.[22]" This needs to be addressed.

Appearance in Rurouni Kenshin is a bit lack luster, but possible. His role could use some touch ups and some personality. It just seems like it is missing some emotion and detail. Rather then play on the other characters strengths make Saito be the main focus.

Reception is the last major area of concern. The issue of the items, amazon ones, being linked without reason are a bit much for me. List one or two, but a direct link to purchase them comes across as advertising.

I know its a lot of work to do, but I'll be here to help out. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply