Talk:Saint-Christophe Vallée d'Aoste

Abbreviation

Hi, I find it sounds quite weird to put "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste" as the main article title, as everybody here in the Aosta Valley knows this club by its entire name, either "Saint-Christophe" or "Vallée d'Aoste". The official name of this club is "Saint-Christophe Vallée d'Aoste", the abbreviated form could be a the title of a redirected page, but the main page should report the entire official name. --Simoncik84 (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

It's the official abbreviation for the club (look at their official homepage): the articles here usually use the common name (for famous clubs) or the official abbreviated denomination (see also S.F. Aversa Normanna). By the way, My opinion is that they want to fade the reference to Saint-Christophe a bit in order to represent the whole region. CapPixel (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I see your reasons, but I don't agree with you. An article title should give the complete real name of this club. --Simoncik84 (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

You can open a move request, if you want to. CapPixel (talk) 14:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

How can I do that? --Simoncik84 (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2013

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Two objections after full listing period, with valid reasoning, and only the nominator in support. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 14:41, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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S.C. Vallée d’Aoste → Saint-Christophe Vallée d’Aoste – I think it sounds quite weird to put "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste" as the main article title, as everybody here in the Aosta Valley knows this club by its entire name, either "Saint-Christophe" or "Vallée d'Aoste". The official name of this club is "Saint-Christophe Vallée d'Aoste", the abbreviated form could be a the title of a redirect page, but the article title should give the complete real name of this club. --Simoncik84 (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose: The official homepage of the club abbreviate the name of the club as in the title of the article and it's like that also in the logo of the club. Moreover, the club is commonly referred to as simply "Vallée d'Aoste" in the whole Italy. See also Televideo page. Moreover, if you do a google search, there are 71,800 results for "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste" and "only" 43,800 for "Saint-Christophe Vallée d'Aoste". CapPixel (talk) 06:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
  • No doubt about this, that's why I would certainly agree to put "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste" at the beginning of the article as the most spread version of the official name, which is the most important one and should be put as the title. Instead, reading this article, one may think that "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste" is the official complete name, which is wrong. I think that "Saint-Christophe" is abbreviated mostly because of its lenght, and "Vallée d'Aoste" is kept because this is nowadays the most important Valdotainian football team. But locally we refer to this club rather as "Saint-Christophe" than as "Vallée d'Aoste". --Simoncik84 (talk) 15:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
    • I understand that, but we have to follow the general conventions and guidelines on the article names on football teams, and those, here in the English wiki, ask to use abbreviations or the most widespread common name, when you can use that. In wikis in other languages, like the Italian on, the guidelines ask to use the extended full name. CapPixel (talk) 10:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your explanation. Could you please provide me with a link to the concerned conventions and guidelines on the article names on football teams on WP:en? --Simoncik84 (talk) 10:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I looked for the link you asked, but I can't find it, sorry. Anyway, in every other articles we use the official abbreviations (excluding clubs with unique and widespread common names and Carpi), and I don't see why the S.C. Vallée d'Aoste article should be different. ;) CapPixel (talk) 12:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simoncik84 (talk • contribs)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - per CapPixel, when the club is commonly known as "Vallée d’Aoste" the other parts of the club-name should be abbreviated. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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When was Saint-Christophe Calcio (founded in 1971) overnamed into "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste"?

It reads: "founded in 1971 as Saint-Christophe Calcio" - therefore, makes one wonder how long the football club has been known by it's latter name: "S.C. Vallée d'Aoste" ?