Talk:Robert Prosinečki

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Croatia reaching the third-place play-off game (error #1 not just semi-final) against eventual winners (error #2 - not just hosts) was not "somewhat improbable" (error #3) as Croatia has been ranks in the top 10 of world teams for the last 13 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredfartlek (talk • contribs) 16:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Blažević's chagrin

As for this notion that "Blažević's chagrin is pure speculation unless supported by references"...... The man ditched an 18-year-old kid because he felt the kid was untalented. Within three months of that taking place, the kid became the World Youth Championship's best player and then went on to have a world class career over the following 14 years with millions of $$$ paid in transfer fees for his services. What is there to reference? What I just listed above are the facts. If the fact that Blažević made a bad judgment call of such big proportions thereby causing his club major financial loss and professional damage is not enough to 'diagnose' chagrin, I don't know what is.99.227.4.164 (talk) 05:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

• This is not a sports newspaper and we are not supposed to speculate what someone thought or how someone felt at some point in history. If it is so obvious that Blažević had shot himself in the foot right there (and it is pretty obvious) than there's no need to point it out. Merely stating the facts, just like you did in the post above, is sufficient. Also, since we're discussing the article here, I might add that the whole section titled "Controversy" is probably unnecessary. It gives way much more attention to his relationship with Blažević than it deserves. Yeah, Blažević had said Robert would never be a player, and then 11 years later chose not to play him in the WC semifinal match until too late in the match to make any difference - so what, big deal. Prosinečki featured in the starting lineup for the 3rd place match just days after the semifinal in which he scored one of the finest goals of his career. As I recall the Croatian media did criticize Ćiro for not playing Prosinečki when Croatia was 1-2 down, but any idea of a "feud" which might have existed between the two was pure gossip. Besides, there were many other coaches in Prosinečki's career which the article does not even mention in its present state.

It's not a question of how he felt about it deep inside. It's an observation on the facts of the matter (which clearly, without a shadow of a doubt reveal that he made a gigantic mistake) and in that sense it's almost like a figure of speech. This is what I was talking about when I pointed out your command of English being so literal.99.227.4.164 (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• The court case over unpaid wages should go into the Croatia Zagreb section of Club career, and adding some context would be nice too, perhaps about how the club played in the Champions League group stage twice during Prosinečki's stint there. It also might be worth mentioning that the club was left in financial shambles following Tuđman's death in December 1999 and the subsequent defeat of his regime in the January 2000 elections, which at the same time paved the way for the restoration of the club's original name and led it to the brink of bankruptcy (at which point the club was legally re-established as a citizens' organization (udruga građana), which meant it became a completely different legal entity). This is the reason why the court cases brought by Prosinečki and several other high-profile players were all eventually ruled in favor of Dinamo.

All of the above is worthy of mention. Feel free to create the Croatia Zagreb section under Club career if you've got some knowledge on it. As for Prosinečki's legal proceeding versus Dinamo, I feel it should be separate since it happened later chronologically and really had a life of its own separate from Prosinečki's time with Croatia Zagreb.

• In any case, I'll try adding more information about his stints at Croatia, Portsmouth and Olimpija but I'm totally ignorant about his time in Spain and it would be nice if someone could dig up more details about the 1991-1997 period. Cheers. Timbouctou 07:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd welcome all of it. As for La Liga, I know Radomir Antić played a part in bringing Prosinečki over there as he was coaching Real Madrid at the time, but I don't have much knowledge of the circumstances of Prosinečki's injury(ies) during his time in Spain that pretty much took him out of that top echelon of world class players.99.227.4.164 (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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