Talk:Robert Gray (sea captain)

Sources for expansion/citations

• Vikings of the Pacific Aboutmovies (talk) 09:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Finally took a look at this. Page viii, in the Foreward, says, "The Spaniards...even when they extended their explorations into the Northwest--have not been included in this volume... Their aims as explorers were always secondary to their aims as treasure hunters..." Oofta, how amazingly wrong, at least with regard to the Northwest. If anything it was the British, Americans, and Russians seeking "treasure", or at least profit, in the Northwest, while the Spanish were for decades the only nation doing strategic exploration by their nation's navy. Anyway, looks like a decent, if old source, but watch out for bias, wowtch! Pfly (talk) 06:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Gotta watch out for the bias in all the sources, but especially the old ones. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

What was the name of the company Gray sailed for?

Does anyone know the name of the company Gray's fur-trading voyages took place under? The company that owned the Columbia and so forth? I've only seen it referred to a some "Boston merchants", or, as this page puts it, "Boston merchants including Charles Bulfinch." Trading companies usually have names, even if something like "Bulfinch and partners". Apparently not all such companies had names--the merged jointed King George's Sound Company and John Meares and partners company apparently had no official name. I wonder if this is the case with Gray's company. No actual name? Even so, if contracts were signed there was probably some kind of name used for the company. Anyone know? It would be useful for many articles to know the company name or lack thereof. Thanks. Pfly (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I have never come across one, and the coins don't have one really either. Also, when you have a chance, can you copyedit your recent addition? There are some typos (mainly last two paragraphs), missing commas before but, and the date format should match the existing one of M-D-Y. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Which recent addition? To this page? Sure thing. I admit I've become fond of the D-M-Y format, which I think is standard in Britain (and maybe Canada?). But yes, perhaps not appropriate here. I've also got a few copyeditting opinions about commas, but yes. My proofreading has gone way downhill since having kids! Pfly (talk) 09:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I added a lot didn't I? Please feel free to chop it down if it is too much. I can get carried away. Pfly (talk) 09:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you did add a lot. Which much if it is fine here, but some is better covered at the Nootka Convention article with a {{main}} left here. I don't recall if you added much of this to Ingraham, but a mention of it there as well would be good. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I was going to add it to Ingraham, but thought I'd wait a few days and see if it was okay here first--or if it was perhaps too much. I've an idea for a new article that would be a good place for this type of info, but it will take some time to get around to making it. Pfly (talk) 10:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Btw, I still plan to clean up this page a little--at least trim some of the stuff I've added. I just added a bit about other attacks by Gray on natives. While the book I used as a source is reliable and quite scholarly, I'm not fully confident about the author's certainty about it being Gray who attacked the village in Esperanza Inlet. His source appears to be A Spanish voyage to Vancouver and the north-west coast of America. Snippet view only, so all I can see from page 22 is: "--attacked an Indian settlement, killing seven men and wounding others, and robbing the rest of the otter skins which they had. They brought one wounded man for the surgeon to heal, and Macuina interceded with the commandant that care should be taken of this man and that he should proceed to chastise the aggressors. As far as could be understood the ship was the American frigate Columbia, Captain Gray, whom the--". This source appears to be the Relación supposedly written by Dionisio Alcalá Galiano, which may not be fully accurate as I understand, and anyway claims it was Gray only "as far as could be understood". Hmm. Anyway, I'll do more research. The library has several of the books cited in the source I used here. Pfly (talk) 05:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll refrain from adding yet another Opitsat reference, but for the curious, check out this PDF. Page 42 has a longer quote from Boit about Opitsat. He clearly did not enjoy the job of destroying the village, and describes it in a little detail: "The village was about half a mile in diameter and contained upwards of 200 houses....every door that you entered was in resemblance to a human and Beast’s head, the passage being through the mouth. Besides which there was much more carved work about the dwellings some of which was by no means inelegant. This fine village, the work of Ages, was in a short time totally destroyed." Someday Boit might deserve his own article--his name comes up fairly often. Pfly (talk) 09:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

his route?

I have searched tirelessly, and I have not found a complete map of Robert Gray's route. If anyone finds/makes one, then it would be greatly appreciated if you would put it on the page.50.46.233.70 (talk) 20:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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