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Ancestry tree edit

Latest comment: 10 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

The ancestry tree looks horrible, why is it not in regular form? Marmaduke Constable has the same issue! -- Lady Meg (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)Reply

The ancestry chart shows Agnes Gascoigne to be the daughter of William Gascoigne (1350-1419, Chief Justice of the King's Bench) and Elizabeth de Mowbray. This contradicts Wikipedia's own entry on William Gascoigne, which says Agnes was the daughter of his other, probably second, wife Joan Pickering. Multiple citations in the Gascoigne article lead to archived posts from soc.medieval.genealogy referring to Joan Pickering's will, which evidently claims Agnes as her own daughter. I don't have an actual citation for the text of the will and I don't have a sense of whether citing the secondary references will arouse the ire of other Wikipedians, but I point out the discrepancy for the examination of those more competent than me. Pnh (talk) 12:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ancestry notes

Sir Marmaduke Constable of Flamborough(c.1379-1404)For further back see the Ancestry of Roger FitzJohn (aka Roger de Lacy) (elder brother of (*) Robert FitzJohn (or le Constable) of Flamborough (-c.1216))

Greatx6-grandson of John Fitz^[i] Richard of Flamborough (c.1130-1190^[ii]), 6th Constable of Chester & Alice Filia^[iii] Roger (daughter of Roger Fitz^[i] Richard and Alice (Adeliza) de Vere)

Greatx5-grandson of (*) Robert Fitz^[i] John (or le Constable) of Flamborough (-c.1216) & Eufemia Tison (daughter of William Tison & Eufemia, and granddaughter of Adam Tison of Holme-on-Spaldingmore)

Greatx4-grandson of Sir William le Constable of Flamborough (bef.1208-bef.1267^[iv]) & Juliana Deyvil [de Daiville]

Greatx3-grandson of Sir Robert le Constable of Flamborough (-c.1272) & Lady Agnes^[v]

Instead of 4 generations some genealogies only have 2 generations between Robert FitzJohn (or le Constable) (-c.1216) and Sir Marmaduke le Constable (-1378). Instead of having Robert-William-Robert-William-Robert-Marmaduke they only have Robert-William-Robert-Marmaduke.^[vi]

Greatx2-grandson of Sir William le Constable of Flamborough (-c.1319)^[vii]

Great-grandson of Sir Robert le Constable of Flamborough (-aft.1339^[viii]) & Katherine

Grandson of Sir Marmaduke le Constable of Flamborough (-1378^[ix]) [married twice] & Joan or Elizabeth

Some genealogies claim that a Sir William Constable belongs here.^[x] This is incorrect. The will of Sir Marmaduke le Constable (-1378) states that his son and heir was Sir Robert Constable (c.1353-1401). An extra generation does not fit here.^{[original research?]}

Son of Sir Robert Constable of Flamborough (c.1353-1401^[xi]) & Margaret Skipwith (daughter of Sir William Skipwith of Ormesby, Lincolnshire & Alice Hiltoft)

18. For further back than Sir William Gasciogne see: Lundy, Darryl. "p. 15818 § 158178 , Sir William Gascoigne". The Peerage. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)^{[unreliable source]}

24. for further back than Sir Humphrey Stafford see Lundy, Darryl. "p. 21324 § 213240 Sir Humphrey Stafford". The Peerage. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)^{[unreliable source]}

notes

^ ^a ^b ^c Fitz = son of
^ Slain at Tyre in 1190 whilst on a crusade.
^ Filia = daughter of
^ One document mentions him together with his father in 1208, and another document of 1267 states that his wife Dame Juliana Deyvil is a widow.
^ A grant is given to Dame Agnes the wife of "Sir Robert de Flaynburge the Constable".
^ name=Burke-548 group=lower-roman>Burke 1836, p. 548
^ Involved in a law suit of 1298. Made a gift of land to the Abbey of St. Germanus at Selby on behalf of his ancestors Adam Tison, William Tison, William le Constable his grandfather and Robert le Constable his father.
^ Last appears in historical records in 1339 when he bought a mill and pasture in Flamborough.
^ Will proved 17 June 1378.^{[original research?]}
^ Cite error: The named reference Burke-54 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Will proved 8 January 1401. Unmarried at the time of his father Sir Marmaduke Constable's death in 1378.

I have moved what are basically research notes out of article space to here and placed them in the collapse box above -- PBS (talk) 20:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

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[son-1] Fitz = son of

[2] Slain at Tyre in 1190 whilst on a crusade.

[3] Filia = daughter of

[4] One document mentions him together with his father in 1208, and another document of 1267 states that his wife Dame Juliana Deyvil is a widow.

[5] A grant is given to Dame Agnes the wife of "Sir Robert de Flaynburge the Constable".

[6] =Burke-548 group=lower-roman>Burke 1836, p. 548

[7] Involved in a law suit of 1298. Made a gift of land to the Abbey of St. Germanus at Selby on behalf of his ancestors Adam Tison, William Tison, William le Constable his grandfather and Robert le Constable his father.

[8] Last appears in historical records in 1339 when he bought a mill and pasture in Flamborough.

[9] Will proved 17 June 1378.^{[original research?]}

[Burke-54-10] Cite error: The named reference Burke-54 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[11] Will proved 8 January 1401. Unmarried at the time of his father Sir Marmaduke Constable's death in 1378.

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