Talk:Red tide

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Lead section discussion

I feel as if having a lead section and an overview section is a bit redundant. I am working on cleaning them up. Could we combine these for a more cohesive overview? Thoughts? CLMills (talk) 22:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC) The first lines could be 'A red-tide is a type of algal bloom caused by large concentrations of aquatic microorganisms such as ...'

Reorganizing

I believe it may be best to shift the "Red Tide" section up before the discussion on harmful effects. We can then include the genera list under that subheading. CLMills (talk) 22:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Citation?

"The Alabama Crimson Tide is a reference to red tide."

I have lived in Alabama all my life, rooting for Alabama football, and I have never heard this. Plus Tuscaloosa is about 250 miles inland, so the phenomenon isn't particularly familiar here.

University of Alabama traditions supports your view. The Jade Knight 06:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

reference

For what it's worth, red tide plays a major plot role in Clive Cussler's novel Sahara. Don't know if that factoid is wikipedia-able.

-bg

Alae/Protits

I am old-fashoned. I prefer the use of Algae for marine "plants" It seems many are using Protists to cover all organisims which are simple in composition such as algae, bacteria, fungi etc. I don't agree - but some may wish to use Protisra here not plants.Osborne 10:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Respiratory problems in humans?

This entry on Red Tide appears to be incomplete.

Case in point: I went to the beach and started coughing. This has never happened before, so I asked someone there and he stated it was due to the red tide. Local newspapers and other sources online do indicate that algal blooms may in fact cause respiratory symptoms in humans such as wheezing and coughing. I believe this is worth a paragraph on this entry.

Do a Google search on "respiratory problems caused by red tide" to get more info.

James.Grubic 17:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• There is currently an outbreak on the Space Coast. You cannot go to the beach without starting coughing and sneezing. Hektor (talk) 01:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

There have been ancedotal evidence of a few human deaths caused by red tide in which the doctors were unwilling (on even mentioned political pressure) to list red tide as the cuse of death, instead they listed pnemonia or lung failure. Howver the site which has the evidence is (redtidealert.com) is now defunct. Anyone know how I get that evidence back? texxsmith.com (talk) 12:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible Ancient Outbreaks

Would others think it is useful to mention references in ancient history or Bible to possible HAB outbreaks in the Bible?

Exo 7:20 And Moses and Aaron did so, just as the LORD commanded. So he lifted up the rod and struck the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants. And all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. Exo 7:21 The fish that were in the river died, the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink the water of the river. So there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt.

--Wer2chosen 12:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I've certainly heard of this connection being drawn before. It could go in the notable occurrences section. However, if it is to be added to the article, we'd need a good source for the connection (e.g. scientific article; item from a major news agency). One of us simply pointing it out would be original research. Cheers, --Plumbago 12:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I would agree we would need sources, I do not agree with ‘scientific journal’ or 'major news agency', if we held that candle to all article, wikipedia would be a third of the prize.

I see allot of articles that reference AP articles, non-fiction (not necessarily scientific).

There have been numerous articles, a few books, and numerous television shows that have mentioned it. I remember hearing about it allot in 1998-1999. Just doing a quick Google, I see MSNBC had a report mentioning it. "End Times Journal', have not heard of that one, had an article, the AP it appears had one. It appears a couple of books have been published that claim this is a natural explanation for those events.

It may be interesting to pick up some of the books.

This Prof (Colin Humphreys), has done some research on it, and has written a book. http://www-hrem.msm.cam.ac.uk/people/humphreys/

--Wer2chosen 15:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

An Example from Satellite imagery

A great example (as seen here 46.6173°N 53.1825°W / 46.6173; -53.1825) of a bloom, as it occurs annually around the coast of Newfoundland especially at the southern of the Avalon Peninsula at ecological reserve, Mistaken Point. West of this point is Cape St. Mary's Bird Sanctuary, home to one of the largest Gannet bird sanctuary in the world. --HJKeats (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

New merge discussion

See Talk:Harmful algal bloom#New merge discussion. Dcoetzee 01:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

What about green tides ?

Those are a major problem in France (especially on Brittany coasts), China... The French WP has a large article (fr: Marée verte) which doesn't seem to have any interwiki links. Did I look in the wrong place ?--Dfeldmann (talk) 08:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Does Anybody Know

anything about luminous tides which seems to be generally green or yellow in color and actually make waves glow at night? Are they caused by the same microorganisms? As they are not red I'm wondering if there is a special name for them. They seem to be phosphorescent. 4.246.162.32 (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Have a look at Bioluminescence and scroll down to the list of marine organisms and also have a look at Noctiluca scintillans, a very common marine alga which can produce tomato-soup red blooms, especially near shore in late spring. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   20:57, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Ohio University Student Grammar is not great. Could use a lot more detail. It acts as if the red tides in florida are only Karenia Brevis. However that is the most abundant only in the Gulf of Mexico, there are more than one type of red tide species. Maybe link pages to different types of red tide species. This site should be renamed red tides of Florida or Gulf of Mexico. It says "the exact cause of the bloom is not known." However, recent studies have shown that it is nutrient pollution along with factors like wind, salinity and temperatures. Great sources!Ab531114 (talk) 14:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC) Originally the page had a lot of good information but it seemed to go off topic and talk about algae in freshwater systems which had nothing to do with the red tide. Red tide species are not found in freshwater systems. I also noticed that it specifically talked about Karenia brevis and I almost changed the whole page to a page about karenia brevis but I decided to make a list of common red tide genus on the page to say that there are more than just one type. It also referred to Florida and Texas a large amount which is where the K. brevis species is found so I made it clear that the red tide can be found worldwide. I spent hours editing the page but I am happy with the results.Ab531114 (talk) 11:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Alexis Bowden At one point a bot took away hours of work that I had just done and labeled it as vandalism so I decided to be done with the project so that wouldnt happen again.Ab531114 (talk) 11:56, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Alexis BowdenAb531114 (talk) 13:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Alexis Bowden

Red Drift

Is it not important to introduce a term "Red Drift" and distinguish between red tide and red drift? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yagya36 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Leaving these refs here in case anyone wants to (properly) reimplement them

• Hallegraeff, Gustaaf M. (2010-04-01). "Ocean Climate Change, Phytoplankton Community Responses, and Harmful Algal Blooms: A Formidable Predictive Challenge1". Journal of Phycology. 46 (2): 220–235. doi:10.1111/j.1529-8817.2010.00815.x. S2CID 67848473.

• Moore, Stephanie K.; Trainer, Vera L.; Mantua, Nathan J.; Parker, Micaela S.; Laws, Edward A.; Backer, Lorraine C .; Fleming, Lora E. (2008-01-01). "Impacts of climate variability and future climate change on harmful algal blooms and human health". Environmental Health. 7 (2): S4. doi:10.1186/1476-069X-7-S2-S4. ISSN 1476-069X. PMC 2586717. PMID 19025675.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

These were originally part of a large paragraph that was plagiarized directly from these two sources. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 16:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Potential merge

A potential merge discussion regarding this article is at the Harmful algal bloom article. IMO even the content of this Red tide article makes it very clear that this is not a distinct topic and a duplication of Harmful algal bloom. But we should require a careful merge to make sure nothing useful gets lost which will require a good amount of work. The consensus seems to be to do a merge. If nothing dramatic otherwise happens in the discussion I plan to start working on a merge sometime next month (in April). The first step would be adding material from this article into the Harmful algal bloom article. North8000 (talk) 14:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good. The merge discussion is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harmful_algal_bloom#New_merge_discussion EMsmile (talk) 09:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@North8000:, if we search for Red Tide, will we be directed the the Harmful algal bloom article? Thanks for working towards a careful merger, if that's the best course. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 08:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. Red Tide would redirect to Harmful algal bloom after the merger. The word "red tide" would also be mentioned in the Harmful algal bloom article so that people know they have come to the right place. EMsmile (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, then I heartily approve! Understanding the definition of a Red Tide, I have skipped the lede, going straight to the Human exposure section. So I missed the wikilink to HAB in the lede. HAB isn't listed in "see also"!! The HAB article, "Harmful effects/human health/food" sections perfectly describe my symptoms (ASP) after eating a lovely bowl of mussels, in 1987/1988 in Montreal. This proposed merger has connected me to the facts I have been searching for, in the decades since the late 1980s! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Expanding on my previous post, the careful merge will include, at the other article, strengthening the coverage of the term "Red Tide" here and also adding any good material & sources from this article that are not currently in the other article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:05, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Merge work checklist

Work checklist plus this also leaves a summary of what happened in the merge. All entries are by North8000

Lead

Done: Moved condensed content and all references over

Terminology

Done. The material and the one reference were brought over

Effects

Done. There is no content directly under this top level heading

Marine life exposure

• Confirmed that there are no cites to references not contained within the section
• Done. Copied entire subsection over

Human exposure

• Confirmed that all "cites only" are based on either references in this section of references moved over
• Done moved entire subsection, resolved issues. Will pare there later

On the U.S. coasts

• Confirmed that the references are used only in that section.
• Done. Copied entire subsection over

Causes or contributing factors

• Confirmed that all references & cites in the section are based in this section (missed one but later fixed at HAB article)
• Done. Copied subsection over.

List of common red tide genera

Done - copied entire section

Notable occurrences

• Confirmed: all cites are to references based in this section. Also all references here are used only in this section
• Done. All copied and sorted, ref renamed as needed, dups removed

See also

Done, Copied in non-duplicate ones

References

Done - No content except the ref template

External links

Done. Brought over the best 75%

Categories

Done- copied non-duplicate categories

Images

Done. of the 4, 2 were already there, I brought over one,and one is not applicable or useful North8000 (talk) 02:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

All merge work completed. Commencing the redirect. North8000 (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Great, thank you! EMsmile (talk) 11:06, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Redirected to Harmful algal bloom

Redirected to Harmful algal bloom North8000 (talk) 21:25, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Great, thank you! EMsmile (talk) 11:06, 14 April 2022 (UTC)