Talk:Puella Magi Madoka Magica/GA1

GA review

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Reviewer: Bobamnertiopsis (talk · contribs) 04:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey hey, I'll be happy to take this review!

I actually just watched the entire series run of PMMM and loved it immensely knowing little else about the magic girl subgenre. I came to this article immediately afterwards and was excited to learn about how much work went into making the show such a beautiful and affecting product.

In any case, it's a long article so it may take me a few days to finish an initial review. Please hang with me. Thanks so much for your work with this one! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 04:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking up this review! I'll start addressing your comments as soon as I get off work today. Artichoker^[talk] 13:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

1a

• Magical girl is linked twice in the lead.
• Newtype should be italicized and linked in the lead.
• "Takahiro Kishida was also enlisted for character design adaptation of the series." This sentence is confusing to me. He was hired to adapt Aoki's character designs to be suitable or useful for the television format?
  • Let me know if my change isn't clear. Artichoker^[talk] 03:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
• "already-existing work" Already is an adverb and as such does not need to be followed by a hyphen.
• "During the writing planning phase" Is this referring to the phase prior to the actual writing of the script? If so, you might change it to pre-writing planning phase to clarify.
• "Urobuchi attributed his past-experience" No hyphen needed.
• You might consider linking dub in the last paragraph of the Broadcast and distribution section.
• "where it began to air on the kids channel ABC3 on June 29, 2013 following" Comma after 2013.
• "volumes released on May 12, 2011 and June 12, 2011 respectively." Commas after both 2011s.
• "launched on June 8, 2012 and features" Comma after 2012.
• "The Different Story has been licensed by Yen Press for release in 2014." Seeing as it's almost 2015, has this happened yet?
  • Let me know if my change isn't clear. Artichoker^[talk] 03:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
• "released its first volume on November 12, 2013 before starting serialization" Comma after 2013.
• "between November 10–11, 2012 in Singapore." Comma after 2012.
• "released on Blu-ray Disc and DVD on July 30, 2013 in standard" Comma after 2013.
• "Liz Ohanesian of LA Weekly attributed" Italicize LA Weekly.
• "streamed on Nico Nico Douga on June 18, 2011 garnered" Comma after 2011.
  • Addressed all of the above. Artichoker^[talk] 03:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

2a

• Kotaku and LA Weekly are both counted as news sources per their Wiki pages so you can use {{cite news}} with them instead of {{cite web}} which will correctly italicize their names in the reflist.
  • Addressed all of the above. Artichoker^[talk] 03:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

3a

• Is there nothing to be said about the voice cast of the show? I know they're included on the List of characters page but in my experience, cast has usually been at least mentioned on the main pages for TV shows. I'm not familiar if there are WikiProject guidelines about this and anime and if there are, please let me know. Did the voice actors receive any praise for their work on the show?
  • I'll do a little bit of digging around and see if I can find some commentary on cast input/performances (may take me a few days with work). Were you also looking for like a list of cast members to be displayed in the article? Artichoker^[talk] 03:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• @Artichoker: I think he meant the former, not the latter. You may also want to look at my suggestion below. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm just asking for clarification. Naruto, if you could find such a source as you described below, that would be helpful. Otherwise, I will be doing my own searching for sources related possible cast interviews. Artichoker^[talk] 03:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

6

• Two nonfree images that are hosted on en and appropriately tagged with FURs. Looks good!
• You might consider adding a third nonfree image of one of the witches because those were so visually different and part of what makes the show so unique. This is absolutely not a requirement for the GA but just something to consider.

Overall, this article is looking great. A couple of small things here and there and this is almost a GA. I'll put this on hold for a week to give you time to work on it. Great work! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 18:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bobamnertiopsis: I'm not Artichoker, but I'm one of the main contributors to the article, and I brought the article to peer review twice before, so I'm also willing to answer questions and make necessary edits. As for 3a, I think I can recall Aoi Yūki (Madoka's Japanese voice actress) saying something about her role in Japanese interviews. While WikiProject Anime and manga does not necessarily require discussion about the show by voice actors, except on articles about characters (see Eren Yeager for an example of the latter), it's interesting to note that Yūki was also part of the production staff: a few of the drawings of Madoka that appeared in the series (the in-anime concept art for Madoka's magical girl outfits and the like) were actually drawn by her. If a reliable source confirming this could be found, or otherwise it is cited to the episode credits, it could be an interesting addition to the article. What do you think?

Also, from the looks of it, the only problems with the article are technical and grammatical concerns. Does this mean that, should all of the above be fixed, the article could pass GA? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC).

@Narutolovehinata5:, @Artichoker:: Thanks to both of you for making the changes you did to the article so quickly. The only real obstacles to GA were the 1a notes which you've addressed and the question of 3a. If the consensus in the WikiProject is against including cast generally then I'm alright passing it without the inclusion. That said, if you can find something about the cast (even just to include parenthetically in the Plot section after each character's name, like "a middle school student named Madoka Kaname (Aoi Yūki)") then that would also be great. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 05:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bobamnertiopsis: While there's no specific guideline by the WikiProject for or against mentioning the cast in the Plot section, among anime and manga articles it's pretty much unheard of. Looking at the WikiProject's existing good articles, none to my knowledge mention the cast in the Plot section. If there are any mentions of the cast, it's either in the Production/Development section (example: School Rumble), the list of characters, or if it exists, the article on the character itself (as it stands, Madoka Kaname is currently a redirect, although I've long wanted to turn it into a separate article given the coverage she appears to have received in Japan; pinging Artichoker for feedback on this particular suggestion). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 05:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bobamnertiopsis:, I agree with Naruto that I don't think I've seen cast information included in a Plot section before. As for including them in the production section, I haven't been able to find much information about the cast specifically related to production. Artichoker^[talk] 23:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

It sounds like cast sections are generally not a requirement for anime articles so I'm happy to pass this one as a Good Article! Moving forward, if you're looking at taking PMMM to FA, you may need to insert at least some reference to cast but right now this article satisfies all the GA requirements in my eyes. Great work to you both! BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 00:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)