Talk:Priscilla Presley

Comments 2005/2006

I have reversed most of what nonymous User:12.179.81.20 inserted because this is just a copy of fabricated information that another Anonymous User inserted into the Elvis Presley article. Ted Wilkes 14:52, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Note that I will shortly today "fill in the blanks" with factual details in this article and in the related article on the book she wrote, Elvis and Me. Ted Wilkes 14:59, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I'm cleanin' prose after him :) Wyss 17:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Note: Anita Wood is invariably spelled Woods. Ted Wilkes 16:37, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

I would like to know if Priscilla once lived in Quebec Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.96.113 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Early life

I personally don't know very much about Priscilla and so unfortunately can't put my money where my mouth is---but shouldn't the 'Early life' section encompass her -own- early life IE. childhood, teenage years, etc, information about her interests and personality or something? At this point this section makes it sound like she started life as Elvis' girlfriend and while that may be what most of the public knows of her, this article should probably adhere to a greater depth of information considering it is essentially acting as her biography on wikipedia. Is there anyone who can step up to do this? 207.105.193.205 19:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay scratch that, this article is just completely out of order. The stuff in 'Plane Crash' and some of the stuff in earlier sections belong in 'Early life'. This article appears to be very neglected. Too bad I don't have time to do anything about it now. :P

207.105.193.205 19:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Will someone please check the name of the Agency she signed with? Should it be the William Morris Agency? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.59.186 (talk) 16:12, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

What's the deal with her moving in with Elvis' parents? I'm going to try to find an "expand section" tag because that seems mysterious and fascinating and deserves a more complete explanation of the circumstances that led to that and how the arrangements was arranged. From how it's written now it seems like they talked once and he decided to have her live with his folks. Some Elvis fan must be able to fill this out more. --In Defense of the Artist (talk) 03:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I have tried to expand this section with information that is accurate. It was a little unclear in the original about the space of time it took to move to Graceland, but hopefully now it is a lot more clear. ChanelleHayes (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added a lot more detail to the EARLY LIFE section, from information that I have acquired following a Biography Channel programme on Priscilla. As far as I know, the information is accurate due to the source, including interviews with Priscilla and her parents. I don't have references from online sources obviously, but if anyone feels the information is wrong or could be changed to something better, then I would welcome the improvement, but as it stands I am happy with it. If I find any more important information while watching the show again, I will add it to the relevant sections, as long as no one has any objections of course. ChanelleHayes (talk) 11:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Cosmetic surgery

Shouldn't there be a section on how she's had so much cosmetic surgery? 63 and looking like a 30-year-old; that ain't down to good genes. 90.44.141.138 (talk) 17:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

THat section should indeed be added, and cover the botched work that she had to suffer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.221.2 (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

She doesn't look like a 30 year old. She looks like a mutant from the 5th lagoon. She messed herself up pretty bad. Dumaka (talk) 19:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The skin on her face looks young but her lips look like the lips of a dressed up corpse at an open-casket funeral. It's all puffy and doesn't move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.88.142.82 (talk) 22:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I was looking for something like this in the article as well. It is very noteworthy that she looks like she is in her 30s. There are some flaws because it is not a real 30, but she is very good looking. If some do not believe she is that good of looking, we can debate this and compare notes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.116.212.23 (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Acting

What about the TV show "Dallas" and the film "Naked Gun 2 1/2"? She was not a terrible actress. 68.116.40.228 (talk) 20:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Norwegian heritage

Is she of Norwegian descent, as it states at List of Norwegian Americans? Badagnani (talk) 04:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes she is. I have translated this arrticle from Norwegian:

Priscilla's grand mother and grand father emigrated from Norway to the USA. Priscilla still has family / relatives in the European country.

In the beginning of the 1900's hundreds, the couple anna and Jalmar Iversen emigrated from Egersund, Norway to the USA. In the USA they gave birth to the daughter Ann Beaulieu, that 23 years later became thmother of Priscilla Ann Beaulieu. In 1967, Priscilla married Elvis Presley and the year after they got Lisa Marie Presley.

Here is a picture of Priscilla Presley's 3rd cousin in Norway, Anne Grete Leidland:

http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1029131169.jpg

Anne Grete Leidland in an interview:

- It was actually Priscilla's parents that let us know. Priscilla has been very interested in her Norwegian roots and her parents looked us up when they visited Norway. Unfortunetly Priscilla did'nt have time to visit Norway at the time.

Terje Knutheim, second cousin to Priscilla's mother visited the Beaulieu's in Los Angeles in 1999.

- Priscilla was on a business trip and I did'nt get to meet her. However the Beaulieu's were great people.

Article in Norwegian from 2002:

http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=8666990

I have just added parts of this info to the article. Mortyman (talk) 01:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe there is some incorrect info in the VG article. The refs [1], [2] and [3] say that Priscilla's grandfather's name was Albert Henry Iversen (VG says Amund Jalmar Iversen), that he married Lorraine in the USA (VG says he was married to Anna when leaving Norway) and that they had Anna Lillian in 1926 (VG says Ann in 1922). Nording (talk) 00:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

scientology

there is no mention of it in the article? It would atleast be of interest as she sent her daughter to a scientology boarding school, but there is no evidence that Elvis was a sceintologist (AFAIK). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.150.12 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

A mention was removed a while ago; I just put it back into the article. Nording (talk) 10:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

"Life with elvis" section removed

I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.

The material was salacious, and under-referenced and seemed to give undue weight to a sensationalist book. Needs total rewrite. --Scott Mac (Doc) 21:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

post-elvis relationships

stop deleting it. Excuseme99 (talk) 06:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Not so long as the writing and citations are insufficient. "Presley, Priscilla, Elvis & Me." is not sufficient. It needs publication information and page numbers. "tournamnets" is not spelled correctly. The names and birthdates of grandchildren give no sources whatsoever. Read WP:REF, WP:CITE, and check a dictionary. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Priscilla's personal life

There needs to be more information about her post-Elvis relationships and her pre-marital relationships. There is a lot of information you can get from his page that is sourced from her book. And there is also alot of information that can be sourced from Mike Edward's book. Someone should add more information to that section.Excuseme99 (talk) 01:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

• This has interesting stuff.Malick78 (talk) 15:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

More early life

There seems to be a big gap in this article - I came here to learn more about Priscilla Presley's life before Elvis but there's not much to go on. It says her mother married a Canadian guy and they moved to Austin Texas, but the very next sentence says she met Elvis in Germany and her parents were hesitant to let her return to America to live with him. What happened in the meantime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.216.243 (talk) 17:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Poor article

In my view, it airs too much speculation about her sex life from trashy biographies. --JN466 12:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

You're right, there is a lot of information that shouldn't be in the article and there is one editor in particular who is responsible for the majority of it. The article is in need of a rewrite (a very slight one, in my opinion, not the hatchet job that has recently been attempted) and any libellous information should be removed. However, as much of the articles reference points come from Priscilla's own words and accounts of situations, I think that there is a lot of very reliable information that should not be removed. For example, the revelation that she was nearly raped and that she and Elvis decided against telling other people. I think that is a very important part of her life, and possibly one that shaped her future personality. How she stayed in contact with Elvis after he left Germany is very important also, and the fact that huge chunks of that were removed shows a complete lack of, or disregard for, editorial skills. As I said in my revert, I have been guilty before on articles of removing large chunks of text without properly grasping how it would read afterwards. The article should be edited carefully by people who know the information and have access to the information. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, please be conservative. I opened a WP:BLP/N thread earlier. --JN466 17:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you not agree that it's important to clarify that Elvis and Priscilla did not have a sexual relationship until after marriage? And is it not also important to explain to the reader how their relationship developed between 1960 and 1966, and how a young girls parents came to allow her to live with one of the world's most eligible bachelors? If you do agree, then could you please explain what exactly was wrong with the information I added that was recently reverted for no good reason? It's a joke. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

All we say about this in the Elvis Presley article is, "While in Friedberg, Presley met 14-year-old Priscilla Beaulieu. They would eventually marry after a seven-and-a-half-year courtship." I really fail to see why we should go into greater detail of their sex life in her article than we do in his. If it is so important to Elvis Presley's reputation, stick it in his article. --JN466 03:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Good luck with it. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 07:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

1. I disagree with JN466's views.
2. Regarding ElvisFan1981's sentence "Do you not agree that it's important to clarify that Elvis and Priscilla did not have a sexual relationship until after marriage?": They did have a sexual relationship before marriage, but not intercourse, according to Priscilla in her book Elvis and Me.

Donald MacScott (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sections removed

I've removed a large part of this article as being unbecoming an encyclopedia. Tabloid tittle-tattle from sensationalist books, and repeating things declared libellous in court is unacceptable. The material should stay out until someone does a BLP sensitive re-write.--Scott Mac 16:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

You removed a large chunk of information that was properly sourced, in a correct timeline, and helped the reader understand how the relationship between Elvis and Priscilla developed. I agree it needs a rewrite, and some information needs to be either trimmed or removed, but I think that recent edits went a little too far.ElvisFan1981 (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest that someone request help from a mediator. A lot of sourced content has been removed from this article with no valid justification other than someone doesn't like it. It would save a whole lot of edit warring, as has been going on. Wildhartlivie (talk) 13:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

1. Scott seems to have a problem understanding the difference between claiming something, and (with proper sources) informing about someone claiming something, as I also pointed out in this edit summary.
2. I agree with Wildhartlivie: "A lot of sourced content has been removed from this article with no valid justification other than someone doesn't like it."

Donald MacScott (talk) 23:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

"Domestic partner" and Elvis

Please do not reinsert the line that describes here as a "Domestic partner" from 1959. According to the referenced material they cohabited from 1963. To say they were domestic partner in 1959 (when she was aged 14) is implying an illegal activity - and could be libellous. Don't do it.--Scott Mac 07:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and to the person saying "domestic partner" doesn't mean "living together", yes it does. It's from the Latin domesticus, which means "pertaining to the home". See also domicile.--Scott Mac 07:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding "illegal activity": I tried to explain this to you before; US law isn't global law, the age of consent in Germany was (and is) 14. Donald MacScott (talk) 21:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Improvements needed

I don't have time to fix it myself, but this article needs a lot of help. For example, it includes irrelevant facts like Priscilla's interest in her Norwegian relatives but doesn't even mention her son. 68.104.175.130 (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I've added some info about her son, but there's not a lot about him because she, and he, like to keep him from the limelight. There's not a lot of information about Priscilla Presley outside of her relationship with Elvis. The main reason for this, I imagine, is that she is a very guarded person who doesn't talk openly about her life very easily. Indeed, the only book she has ever written about her life was mainly focused on her relationship with Elvis, and despite being written in the 1980's, it only covered up to 1977. If you have a source of further information then it would be greatly appreciated. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 14:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Logic

"Life with Elvis", para. 6, reads: "Some of his health problems troubled his doctors and so they went undiagnosed until long after his death." Weird logic, I am afraid. I do not think that health problems go undiagnosed because doctors are troubled. 7bells (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the line altogether because it is confusing, makes no sense, and doesn't really have a place in that part of the article. Thanks for pointing it out. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Lessons from Chuck Norris

According to Chuck Norris' autobiography (and the biography on his website), Priscilla Presley took fighting lessons from him at one point. Does anybody know when this was? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.245.41.135 (talk) 03:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite needed

A rewrite is needed. The term 'Presley' is sometimes used to mean Mrs Presley and sometimes to mean Mr Presley. This is confusing. Better to rewrite with Priscilla or Elvis as appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.51.89 (talk) 16:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:SAMESURNAME agrees with you. Nording (talk) 09:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Jr. Hi

"In 1956, the Beaulieus moved to and settled in Austin, Texas, but soon her father was transferred to Wiesbaden, Germany.[9] Priscilla was "..crushed.." by this news, and after finishing Junior High her fears of leaving her friends behind and making new ones were once again at the forefront of her mind.[9]" Usually, junior high is completed when one is about 15. What does "soon" mean? In any case, if she met EP until 1959 in Germany (after being there an unstated length of time) when she was 14, it is unlikely that she completed JH in Austin, unless she skipped a grade. If she did skip a grade, that should be indicated. Somehow, the dates and ages need cleaning up. 202.179.16.90 (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Carreer: Lending her name for a perfume

There is a perfume called "Priscella Presley"
Probably she lent her name to it. Is it sensible to add this information (with a decent source) to the Career section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltirion (talk • contribs) 13:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

There is already a mention about her launching her own fragrance range in 1988. Several fragrances have been released over the years, but I'm not sure there needs to be any more details about these. This is an Encyclopedia, not a site to advertise perfumes, so it might fall foul of the rules. ElvisFan1981 (talk) 14:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Considerable notes

Goldman's theories about the Priscilla have been circulated, but they are not accepted by the majority of authors, and some of the party was not even needed because the attribution from other source may lead more undue.

There are some quotes, they should be turned into summaries. "ex-wife" may create confusion, so I have edited it to "6 years of marriage".

I don't really find any credibility in "Ancestry.com", the information about her grandmother, from Egersund, etc cannot be discovered from any other sources. I may look more into it. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Most of the info you removed about Priscilla Presley's relatives, including her Norwegian maternal grandfather (from Egersund), can be found in Finstad's book Child Bride (excerpt at amazon.com). Nording (talk) 15:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@Nording: Consider adding it back, those of ancestry weren't working. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I did re-add some of it. Nording 02:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

priscillapresley.com website safety

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/priscillapresley.com

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/priscillapresley.com

Apparently, it's an unsafe site riddled with malware. Is it wise to keep it up here? TangoFett (talk) 05:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for informing. I had similar incidence few days ago, it is quite obvious that there are many website with some type of malware hosted and such hosting of malware is not intentional. As long as you haven't been warned on main page as well as other pages, it is all good. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Life in Germany

This section looked heavily depended on a single source, indeed the source is reliable but really not available online neither any of other sources seems to be supporting them. I would probably look into the original book and see if they are supporting the information or not. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I disagree with this edit per WP:SOURCEACCESS. Nording 20:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Anthony or Mike?

'Following suggestions from Elvis, Priscilla began taking lessons from Anthony Barrett of Lakeside CA, a karate instructor she had met in 1972 backstage at one of Elvis' concerts. She soon began an affair with him. Priscilla states in her book, "My relationship with Mike had now developed into an affair.' Two names for the same person? Or were they two separate people? Valetude (talk) 12:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

The name "Anthony Barrett" is no longer mentioned in the article. Nording 10:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Still living in England?

Her stage appearances in England are noted, but there is no mention of her living here, either then or now. Valetude (talk) 22:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

plastic surgery victim

she had become a victim of a plastic surgeon who injected her palm oil

Seriously - i think that should be mentioned, its obvious and for upcoming generations to understand - important to see. --109.107.237.114 (talk) 12:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

"...feelings for" a 10-16 year-old girl?

Under the heading "Personal life" the second paragraph starts with "Beginning in 1978, Presley had a six-year intermittent live-in relationship with male model Michael Edwards, until he began developing feelings for the teenage Lisa Marie. Lisa Marie was aged 10 to 16 during his relationship with her mother." (emphasis added) "Developing feelings for" a 10 to 16 year-old girl is oddly neutral and vague. I can't imagine it being used in other contexts when referring to a man who is interested in a physical/romantic relationship with a child (cf. Lolita). Is there some other way this could be stated, without accusing Edwards of pedophilic (or even hebephilic) interests? Bricology (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Death not accurate

Lisa Marie (her daughter) passed away, not Priscilla. 2601:C6:4380:1B70:2CCA:3ED4:F6B8:8BE8 (talk) 02:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

You have listed Priscilla as deceased today and that is not correct. Her daughter Lisa Marie Presley is deceased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.192.254 (talk) 02:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Lisa Marie Presley Death

You have stated Lisa Marie died of a Heart Attack. This is WRONG! She died from Cardiac Arrest. This is very different to a Heart Attack. Cardiac Arrest involves the electrical functions of the heart. 2A02:C7C:D686:9000:74D7:5BF7:2C1E:8A8A (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Not Elvis’s widow

Priscilla was not married to Elvis when he passed. They were divorced when he passed, therefore she is NOT his widow. 208.59.101.94 (talk) 05:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Reverted. TwoTwoHello (talk) 12:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Scientology

Is there any official evidence of her current status with Scientology because a lot of the evidence I’ve seen is from tabloid sources and they aren’t the most reliable. Bob3458 (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Portrayals

The format used to list her notable portrayals is not one I’ve ever seen used on Wikipedia before. Should it be subject to change? Agrudle (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Agrudle, you're right, that was a weird format. I've done some clean-up on it. Schazjmd (talk) 14:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Layout order

The ordering of this article is very strange - skips from West Germany to "following her seperation from her husband..." - which doesn't comply with MOS:CHRONOLOGICAL. I would suggest that life with Elvis should immediately follow life in West Germany, as it is the source of her notability and makes more chronological sense. I think "Life post-1973" is okay to stay where it is, though possibly renamed to something along the lines of "Personal life post-1973" or "Relationships and family life after seperation from Elvis"? This would also bring it more in line with articles like Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis where people have gained initial notability as partners but also have lives outside their relationship. Quickenedeasy (talk) 06:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I am quite sure she was in the movie Mars Attacks but do not know how to edit Wikipedia pages. 2600:1700:3910:E4E0:F5CA:E141:BC4E:A31F (talk) 12:18, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Discuss reframing "forcefully made love" as "rape"

@SNUGGUMS: I challenge your edits here and here where you reframe "that Elvis forcefully made love to me" into "that Elvis raped her".

Since the subject is still alive, WP:Biographies of living persons applies here. Per BLP, contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. This applies whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable.

You cannot put such words into Wikivoice without a proper source. Priscilla Presley, as author of the book/source, didn't use the word rape for this incident, even though she used the word rape elsewhere in her book about some other incident with another person. A quick search shows me that other sources have also controversially taken these lines from Presley's book and reframed them as rape, however they are not bound by BLP in the way Wikipedia editors are. Per WP:WIKIVOICE, Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts. If different reliable sources make conflicting assertions about a matter, treat these assertions as opinions rather than facts, and do not present them as direct statements.

You assert that the language should be "raped" because of your present-day interpretation of a line in a book written in 1985 about an incident that happened in the early 1970s. Is there any source where Presley herself uses the word "rape" to describe this incident? If not, then the word should not be used in this Wikipedia article.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 05:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Euphemistic language is frowned upon per WP:EUPHEMISM, and it frankly feels like you're making excuses to avoid straightforward language. Plain and simple, rape is non-consensual sex, and forcing someone to "make love" (a common euphemism for sex) makes it rape. One can see in pieces like these how the book meant it as such, so I'm not just pulling things out of nowhere. Time period of writing vs. when I read it is irrelevant here, and I refuse to pretend like we can't just call a spade a spade here. You treating these phrases as though they have different meaning is unreasonable and splitting hairs. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Euphemism has nothing to do with it. It's not like Priscilla Presley said 'rape' and I'm suggesting to reduce to 'forceful sex'; you're trying to escalate it the other way (see dysphemism).

What you are doing is making assumptions (WP:SYNTH) about what was said. Others have published similar assumptions. This was an interview in 2015 with Priscilla Presley where they wrote "She writes that he, “forcefully made love to me . . . [as he said] ‘This is how a real man makes love to his woman.’ ” It’s an unpleasant anecdote, suggesting rape — she says now that she overstated what happened." If that's not a refutation of all those assumption, then I don't know what it would take to convince you.

I just spent a year closely following the Danny Masterson's rape trials including following the testimonies of experts on sexual assault and testimony of several victims on the subject of "when does someone call it rape". It depends on the person. No one else has the right to label an incident 'rape' if the 'alleged victim' says it was not. I see it as cruel to force that label. It's not like you're sitting down with your crying friend and trying to get her to file a police report by convincing her the story she just told you should be viewed as rape. You're wanting to publish this to the world as a done deal. And this page has been averaging over 40,000 views per day for the last 10 days! Now if we were not Wikipedia (BLP), or we were discussing someone who is no longer living, or we were discussing a Jane Doe and not a named person, then I'd say go ahead and use the word 'rape' if you want. But not in this case.

This is exactly the sort of situation why we have the BLP policy.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

In other words, she retracted the claim? The story still has a rapey theme either way plus I admittedly hadn't seen that linked piece from The Times until now. Trying to avoid the term just because she's living/named would be a cheap cop-out. Page views are also a moot point here. Instead of trying to stretch out her writing or implement WP:SYNTH (which you continue to wrongfully accuse me of), I was more concerned about efforts to downplay a non-consensual encounter by implementing a lighter-sounding synonym just because there are editors/readers who like Elvis. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Elvis and his reputation are of no interest to me one way or the other.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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