Talk:Precedence among European monarchies

Inaccuracies in regards to the Church.

During the bulk of the 14th and 15th Century, the Avignon Exile of the Papacy, in the hands of the French, followed by the Western Schism, subverted the idea of Papal supremacy. The schism led to the Chief Theologian (a secondary hat of the Chancellor of the University of Paris) Pierre d'Ailly stepping in to resolve the matter. An initial bureaucratic approach led to his displacement to the See of Cambrai, his successor was his pupil Jean Gerson. In c1381, the latter received the collected works of the Flemish mystic philosopher Jan van Ruusbroec, for pre-prblkcation censorship, and he immediately recognised that among them was The Spiritual Tabernacle, a consolidation of the doctrine of the Eucharist. This suited their needs admirably, but they needed a cause. The increasing incursions of the Ottomans on Constantinople also increasingly threatened the eastern end of the Austro-Hungarian alliance, at the mouth of the Danube. This, like Burgundy, was a feudal vassal of the Holy Roman Empire, and so a subtext existed in the convocation of the Papal Council at Constance in 1414, the need for an end to the war between Valois and Plantagenet, to form a united front in Crusade. The Valois were uncooperative, until Henry V removed them from the board at Agincourt, which lay within the See of Cambrai. d'Ailly's letter of congratulations after the battle goes slightly beyond the basics, raising the thought that the Anglo-Burgundian trade alliance, combined with the Burgundian vassalage of the HRE and extensive involvement of Burgundian forces goes beyond the generic friction between the two, and that the failed diplomatic attempt often posited as a cause is only part of the story. It certainly resolved the issues of primacy you allude to! The key source text is Professor Bernard Guenée's very detailed biography of d'Ailly in Beyond Church and State. His history ends with d'Ailly's death in 1430, but the history of the HRE involvement concludes with the collapse of the plan in the Varna Crusade, and the general discredit of Pope Eugenius IV, a fruit of van Ruusbroec's extended circle, Gerardus Groot's Windesheim. The doctrine of the Devotio Moderna which emerged from there is essentially modern Christianity. 51.186.23.169 (talk) 15:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)