Talk:Poemen

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Poemen Mike Cline (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Poemen the Great → Abba Poemen – This article was recently moved here, from Poemen, without discussion. An extreme preponderance of reliable sources describe the subject as "Abba Poemen" (201 results for "Abba Poemen"—[1] and 3 results for "Poemen the Great"—[2] in Google Scholar). Anyone reading the main scholarly and popular material on the subject would come to the same conclusion. "Poemen" would also be a satisfactory title, though "Abba Poemen" seems more common in the sources. First Light (talk) 15:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, note that honorific titles, such as "the Great", are only used "Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found without it." (see MOS:HONORIFIC) That is clearly not the case here. First Light (talk) 17:06, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

• Return to → Poemen redirects here - there's no need for "Great/Apa/Abba", Poemen/Poimen is the WP:PRIMARY anyway. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:51, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I would be fine with that also—anything but "the Great." First Light (talk) 01:33, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. Like IIO, I would also prefer simply Poeman. Glancing through a Gbooks search, it appears he is generally referred to that way and I can't see why he wouldn't be the primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 09:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I assume you meant "Poemen". First Light (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
• Return to "Poemen" – the bare name is used often enough without the honorifics, and this person seems to be the primary topic. Kanguole 13:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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feast day

Everyone else says Aug 27. See eg one of the references (the only one that has a date) http://www.omhksea.org/2012/08/abba-poemen-brief-life-and-sayings/ I think Sept 9 is the Julian calendar. I suggest it be changed to Aug 27. That is the practice of the page on Eastern Orthodox Liturgics (August 27 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)) --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Third paragraph

Could someone please clarify this?

• "Another story, though also used in support of Poemen's tendency to "refrain from judgement", may show a dragging underbelly of the early monastic movement. The story tells of a brother monk with a wife (Harmless cites a source claiming her to be a "mistress,"[2] but the Systematic Collection uses the Greek word for "woman"/"wife") who had a child—perhaps unclear who the father was. Abba Poemen sent him a bottle of wine as a gift, to celebrate, and the brother was so "conscious stricken...[that he] later dismissed the woman" and became a monk."

- the second sentence tells of a brother monk with a wife; the next says that after receiving a gift of wine fr Poemen, conscience stricken (I suppose), he became a monk? I thought he was already a monk? What "dragging underbelly" of monasticism is this supposed to illustrate? Purple prose much? Mannanan51 (talk) 02:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)