Talk:Phoenix Force (comics)

Questions

I have a quick question. Since when did Phoenix represent the all-encompassing life-force of the entire multiverse? The shiar quote states that it is the totality of psionic energy, but it never says that it is the totality of life. I know the Phoenix represents resurrection, but not the force of life. Psionic energy is not life force, the fact that the Phoenix used incredible power to absorb a star, which affected future generations of consciousness, does not mean that it stopped life from existing in those future generations. What I'm getting at is that psionic energy and living energy are two distinct things, they may be related on some other level, but they are not one and the same. You need not be conscious to be alive, bacteria do it all the time. Nor did consciousness come before life, evolution speaks to the opposite. I think that this needs to be seriously addressed in future articles and overall Marvel canon.

Galactus told Rachel Summers/Grey when they were battling and she was using the Phoenix Force to its fullest, that everytime she did that, she was denying future generations existence. It happened in Excalibur, I do not know the issue though.Drunknesmonsta (talk) 23:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Powers

i think you should add this to her power list.

she is capable of Absorbing the energy and life-force from a foe, like in “The Uncanny X-Men 131” were she had a psychic fight with The White Queen aka Emma Frost. The two psychics have a duel when the legendary phoenix rises from jean and grabs Emma with her phoenix claws Emma quotes “Bird Energy construct is draining my strength my very life-force” she starts to feeds on Emma’s life-force making herself even stronger.I am 100% sure she can do this so please add this to the main power page.

Answer: In Excalibur, issue number 61, 1993, Galactus informed the Phoenix that it is able to operate on this plane (being the physical plane of the Marvel Universe) only because it robbed the life-force from generations of the future. He stated that the Phoenix Force is the whole expression of Universal Life Force.

Alternate Reality Phoenix'

After reviewing the classification stats from the omega-level mutant page, I thought it would be intresting to note here that in an alternate reality, it was Storm and not Jean Grey who merged with the Phoenix Force entity after piloting the space craft from orbit. Storm's body was placed in a healing coccoon and submerged under the Hudson bay. Phoenix-Storm arose from the bay and quickly did away with most super-villains on Earth by freezing them in the atmosphere. When it was realized that the original Storm was in a coccoon, Phoenix-Storm was disperesed and flew off into the galaxy. Storm did not survive the ordeal (similar to Phoenix-Jean Grey). It may be later revealed that Storm was resurected like her counter-part (Jean Grey) in the normal marvel universe. (See http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=76&page=12). I beleive there is one more alternate reality Phoenix wh merges with another being briefly in the Marvel Multiverse.

See indexes

In the original X-Men Index, the Darkseid encounter was explicitly placed on an alternate Earth, as was done in Titans Index#3 and the Crisis Indexes.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Ink as a Pheonix Host?

Seeing as Ink has access to the pheonix force's powers, he should be included somewhere. --86.134.63.23 (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Ink's Phoenix Powers come from his tattoo, he is not really a host for the force. His tattoo gives him the ability to use an approximation of the Phoenix powers, which as far as I can tell is what HE perceives them to be. Drunknesmonsta (talk) 00:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)