Talk:Pete Maravich

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3/4 Serb?

His father is of Serb descent from Croatia. But his mother Helen Gravor who married a Montini first was born to US-born parents Nicholas Joseph Gravor and Annie A Miller. Nicholas Gravor's parents were Serbs Peter and Helen Kernich. Miller tho. is not a Serb name. So there's one mystery solved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.244.114 (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Untitled

Can somebody explain why the redirection page has it "Mavarich" and the article is "Maravich"? --squadfifteen, 18/10/05

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Scoring

Not an NBA fan, so, can somebody clarify, was the #1-scoring yer '77-8 or in '77 alone, or what? Trekphiler 01:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Answer: Each basketball season begins in October of one year and ends in June of the next, so '77-'78 is one season.

Re: Scoring

Pete Maravich's career best scoring average of 31.1 ppg was attained during the 1976-1977 basketball season, when he was playing for what was then the New Orleans Jazz. (The franchise moved and became the Utah Jazz in 1979 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz )

Quoted from the NBA official site: http://www.nba.com/history/players/maravich_bio.html

"...The following season (1976-77) was Maravich's finest as a professional. He saw action in 73 games and led the NBA in scoring with a career-best 31.1 p p g. He scored 40 or more points 13 times, the most in the NBA that season and he led the league in total points (2,273), field goals attempted (2,047) and free throws made (501). On Feb. 25, 1977, he scored 68 points in a game against the New York Knicks despite the efforts of defensive ace Walt Frazier to bottle him up. Maravich's performance that day ranks as the 11th-best single-game total in NBA history. He returned to the NBA All-Star Game in 1977 and earned his second straight berth on the All-NBA First Team ..."

Issues

This is my first time editing anything on here, so i hope everthing worked, but there were lots of wrongly spelled words and incorrect grammar in the "legacy" section of the Maravich entry.

This article has a lot of cut and paste content from other websites... that's not good. I've removed some, I'm going to try to clean up the whole thing. --W.marsh 17:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I reworked this article. Do you still think the tag is needed? savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 18:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

No, as mentioned on your talk page, I think the article is a lot better. (just mentioning it here too for clarity) --W.marsh 19:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I've not heard of 'only one coronary artery.' An 'anomalous coronary artery' is more likely, and I believe Pete had an anomalous left coronary artery, if memory serves from news of the autopsy at the time.

Croatian?

I have read on some sites that he was of Croatian descent, does anyone know for sure what he was?

Someone told me that Nikola Tesla was Croat, too. Alexander the Great was Albanian and so was Superman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.119.83 (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

You serbs are always so passive aggressive, get over Tesla. Serbia denied him scholarship and only wanted him when he became successful. That's when they invited him for a 30 hour visit and that's the only contact he ever had with Serbia, while he was constantly visiting Croatia(besides being born in Croatia). If he was born in Serbia, he obviously wouldn't have become anything in life. He even told Meštrović that all sculptures by Meštrović depicting Tesla must be installed in Croatia and never in Serbia. Poland and the Netherlands don't have any problem calling Penkala Croatian, and he wasn't even born in Croatia like Tesla was. Montenegrins don't have any problem calling Dimitrije Popović Croatian and Croats don't get angry like they are serbian when some Montenegrins call Popović a Montenegrin. 2A05:4F46:F08:0:2C90:E5D4:3788:7371 (talk) 17:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Someone told me his mother was Polish.

I remember that Rudy Tomjanovich, who is of Croatian descent, once said that he had played against Maravich, who asked him whether Tomjanovich is a Serb or a Croat. After getting the answer, Maravich just said something like: "I am a Serb and I'll destroy you on the court". Tomjanovich told this in an interview to the Serbian journalists as an anecdote, when he was visiting Serbia a few years ago, I'll try to find the exact quote somewhere.————→Vitriden 00:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't know about the above story but I did recently read an article in the Croatian press that Tomljanovic gave when he was there a few years ago. In it is stated that when Tomljanovich met Maravich, Maravich asked whether Tomjanovich "What are you, a Serb or a Croat?" To which Tomljanovich said he responded that he thought he was a Croat. In response to this, Maravich said: "Well then, I don't think the two of us can be friends". Tomljanovich said that despite this, later the two were acquaintances. See: http://www.nacional.hr/articles/view/13762/5/ -- 30 June 2007

Kakav debil od tipa, STRASNO!!! Pravi iskomplekirani cetnik jer je iz Hrvatske. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.140.126.253 (talk) 09:27, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Maravich was of Serbian decent. His father was the son Serbian immigrants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew priory (talk • contribs) 10:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Pete was 100% Serbian. His mother was Serbian, Helen. She married a Montini who died during WW11 when she 19. His paternal grandparents came from Lika, Croatia, but were Serbs apparently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.13.136.135 (talk) 01:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Helen Serbian? Serbian mythomania strikes again.- (Typical example of croatian complex towards Serbs,this type of writing does not belong to wikipedia)

Whatever his descent was, it is not right to spell it out in the very first sentence, as if it was one of the most important facts about him, and then ignore the subject altogether in the rest of the article. GregorB (talk) 18:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Pete's mother's maiden name was Gravor. Helen Gravor. Gravor is almost a non-existant name. I wonder if it was spelled originally Gravorac if she's Serbian. I read in a Pete's biography that she was Serbian too. His paternal grandparents are Serbs from Lika, Croatia, that's true. John Havlicek another great had a Croatian mother, Amanda Turkal (Turkalj). Kevin McHale's mother is a Starcevic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.233.211 (talk) 11:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Incredible Stat

"It was calculated by LSU coach Dale Brown that Maravich would have averaged 57 points per game with the benefit of a college three-point line.[verification needed]"

That would mean 13 of his shots per game were from behind the arc. I've never heard of anybody averaging 13 threes per game!

GeneCallahan (talk) 13:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Now it explicitly contends he would have gotten 13 3s per game. That would be over 1100 for his career, TRIPLE the NCAA record, in just 3 years! This stat is totally absurd. GeneCallahan (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

As Maravich holds the record for the top three individual scoring seasons in NCAA history (it would be four if rookie seasons were allowed at the time), the stat doesn't sound that absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khubilai22 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Citation

I have found the citation for the NCAA record of scoring 50 points 28 times. However I am not comfortable with editing citations, so I will post here in hopes someone will do it. The official NCAA records from NCAA.org is at http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/2009/D1.pdf, and on page 2 of 80. DKP 06:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkpiatt (talk • contribs)

I remember seeing Pistol Pete on TV when he played in college and reading about him. He was a great shooter and a very good ball handler, but I think this article could benefit from a bit more balance. As I recall, and I think that some contemporary sports magazine writers echoed this, he had a few negatives, including: - he played no defense. - the main purpose of his 4 teamates was to feed Pistol Pete the ball. I think that some observors at the time agreed that helping the coach's son set scoring records was the team's top priority; not winning. Doesn't it seem a little strange that the "greatest college player of all time" never managed to lead his team into the NCAA tournaments?

When Pete played at LSU the NCAA Tourney was not like it is today with 64+ teams invited. It was a 16 team tournament in those days with most of the teams coming from the ACC, Big Five in Philly, Big 10 and PAC 8. There wasn't even a South region, the regions being East, Mideast, Midwest, and West. With the exception of Kentucky, teams from the deep south and SEC just weren't usually invited. Pete wasn't a "very good ball handler." He was the greatest ball handler of all time, and the greatest shooter and nobody could or ever did guard him, including the NBA. Sure all his teammates fed him the ball, the guy averaged 44 in college and 5 assists per game. What you do on offense with a guy like that is feed him the ball, set him picks and try to get open because if you did, Pete would find you. As for no-defense, whoever lit him up? Nobody. In addition a 6'5 guard wasn't that rare; Oscar Robertson was 6'5 and he used to score a lot posting up hapless guards low and hitting easy 10 foot bank shots if a center or forward didn't come over to help. Pete never posted up anybody; he did most of his scoring on the open floor and nobody could guard him. Pete was the best fast-break guard in the history of the game. You are right however that the article needs more balance; it doesn't accurately portray the single most amazing basketball talent to ever run the floor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missaeagle (talk • contribs) 05:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The NCAA tournament during Pete college career was 25 teams (23 in 1968) and only 1 team from each conference was allowed to play.The "larger school" conferences (Pac-8, Big 10, ACC, SEC, etc) had conference tournaments and the winner of their tournament was the team that got to play in the NCAA tournament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbs527 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

One more factoid from memory: A 6'5" outside-shooting guard was a rarity in his league in the late 60s. I think the players defending him were generally much shorter. On the other hand though, I note that his scoring success in the NBA showed that he could also score against taller players. --Bailiff50 04:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bailiff50 (talk • contribs)

haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.225.46.130 (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Lead needs improvement

The article's lead needs a lot of improvement. It makes it sound as though Maravich was still an NBA or professional level player at the time of his death, which is misleading.Hoops gza (talk) 11:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

This article is too much of a puff piece

This article needs a lot of work - it doesn't read like an encyclopedic article but more like a puff piece written by one of his fans. For example, at the end of the college section there is this: "Second, Maravich played before the advent of the three-point line. His long-distance shooting skill thus produced fewer points than would have been the case in a later era." This is speculation on the part of the editor. It would b different if it were a quote by someone, but as it is it's just conjecture and doesn't belong here.

It should also be made clear that the "the $1.9 million contract " was the total amount for four or five years, not the yearly amount. Incidentally, that amount would be equivalent to $13,643,800 after adjusting for inflation.

I went ahead made some minor tweaks, but it needs more work. __209.179.28.127 (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. I added a NPOV Language template. Josef Horáček (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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Cyrillic?

The guy was American, born of Americans, why the name in Cyrillic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.236.226.193 (talk) 16:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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