Talk:PenAgain

Admittingly I am a newbie at this, but I don't undestand specifically what parts of the article are written like an advertisement. Every statement is factual and well supported. If its not too much trouble please be more specific in your critique. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thermaldynamics (talk • contribs)

See WP:NPOV and WP:SPAM --Ronz 00:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

"Media Attention" section - NPOV

I think the entire section violates WP:NPOV. Given that it's a section about media attention, I don't think it belongs in any form. I suggest removing the section and changing the references to external links. --Ronz 00:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

If I hadn't already proposed removal of the section, I would have tagged it for having weasel words too. --Ronz 01:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the section, moving the references to external links since they demonstrate notability and might be used as references again in the future.--Ronz 01:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

"Models" section - unreferenced

I don't think this section belongs in the article at all, but I'd like to give editors time to find sources first. --Ronz 01:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

How is this any different from the model section of the ipod page? The ipod page simply details the different types of models for ipod - as does this page for the penagain. The ipod page does not cite references either, a criticism someone posted for this page. Please explain this. Or is there a double standard in wikipedia? --Junipertree 01:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Good question. Why don't you ask the editors there? My guess is that iPods have quite a bit more press than PenAgain and they could easily come up with sources.

Meanwhile, Wikipedia requires information to be sourced (WP:V), and properly sourced so as to not be presented in a biased way (WP:NPOV). --Ronz 01:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed because no sources given to indicate importance. --Ronz 20:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Again, Ipod does the SAME EXACT THING - why don't you go remove those images? Stop with the double standards Ronz, do you work for the company and are worried about the company's image? You're destroying the whole essence of wikipedia.--Junipertree 01:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not editing iPod. --Ronz 20:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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