Talk:Paweł Włodkowic

"Paroch"

In the article's final paragraph, what is a "paroch"? What language is that taken from? logologist|Talk 08:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Parish. 'Parochial' is a cognate word (an adjective). 2003:E6:747:2144:A014:FEE0:44C6:CC22 (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Polish POV

Yet another fine example of Polish POV on english Wikipedia. Watch it!-- Matthead ^discuß!     O       22:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This article is pure POV. I recommend it tagged. 141.13.8.14 13:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you be more specific where this pure POV is ? --Lysy^talk 14:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, one could critise much more, but it's not worth the effort to do a complete analysis. So I comment only on one paragraph, where POV is most obviuos:

"In it he drew the thesis that pagan and Christian nations could coexist in peace and criticized the Teutonic Order for its wars of conquest and its brutal extermination of native non-Christian peoples in Prussia and Lithuania."

Huh? Criticising the Teutonic Order for its wars of conquest? The Order was called to Prussia to conquer Prussia - by Poland. The Order acted in the name of the Pope, the Pope was its offcial head. The war of the Teutonic Orders were Crusades. So how come a clergyman from Poland was criticising the Teutonic Order? Quite simply: Poland had allied itself with pagan Lithuania to make war against the Teutonic order (resulting in the defeat of the Teutonic Oredr in 1410). Therefore Poland had a problem with the Pope which needed some explanation. So Paweł Włodkowic went on a smear campaign against the Teutonic Order (please compare with the fate of the Templar Knights).

Extermintion of native peoples in Prussia? This claim pops up ever and ever again. It's been proved to be wrong long ago: If the Teutonic Knights had exterminated the native population, the population of Prussia would have been much lower as immigration was pretty low. Or more simply: Look at pictures of Germans from East Prussia pre-1945: Their facial features have more in common with people from the Baltics than with other people from the rest of Germany. 141.13.8.14 08:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Neither logical nor scientific. Your asserts are not based on the actual materials but your personal assumption that comes from the expectation that the Order were infallible. In fact Lithuaninas are not old-Prussians although both were Baltics. Furthermore, it is not the then King of Poland but the then Prince of Masovia that invited the Order who were expelled from Hungary due to delinquency. The Order even forged the then Pope's charter to claim their right to conquer Prussia. It is factious that the order brutally exterminated the native Prussians by killing them or selling them as slaves at Magdeburg and Meinz and had territorial ambitions against Poland and Lithuania. This is not Polish POV at all. It is only that Wlotkowic was so great. (I swear I am neither Polish nor of Polish ancestry. I only study about Wlotkowic and his era.) If you try to refute me, it merely tarnishes Germans honour and makes Germans more evil. Everybody could see you through. Be careful and be neutral. No more German anti-Polonism. Lucky this article is still not tagged after more than two years by these malicious people. 121.94.178.1 (talk) 18:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Rename

Per common English name:

• 81 results for "Paulus Vladimiri" + council (to filter non-English results) [1]
• 15 results for "Paweł Włodkowic" + council (to filter non-English results) [2] (and of those at least 5 in Polish)

Renata (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)