Talk:Passenger rail franchising in Great Britain

Tables & lists in article

Hi - a comment with regard to recent additions of tables listing franchises. I do rather feel that these are quite long and make the article a bit cumbersome, with regard to WP:LENGTH. I hesitate to say this, because I can see a lot of work has gone into producing them, and I do appreciate the effort. But to my eyes at least, there's quite a lot of data. Could they possibly be summarised and split into (linked) standalone lists to make the article seem more readable? (as per WP:SPLITLIST) To illustrate: comparative edits before and after Cnbrb (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree, and given that your question didn't result in any adverse comment I will now do the split of the franchises table into a current list and a former list and see if that provokes any response. PeterEastern (talk) 12:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! I'd quite forgotten about that. Yes, given that nobody else has responded after 18 months, I think it's safe to assume this is not contentious! Cnbrb (talk) 13:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately the content for this article and information relating to franchising in other articles seem to be terribly out of date. PeterEastern (talk) 21:49, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you - you're doing a lot of work I can see! Cnbrb (talk) 09:35, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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NedRailways?

Seriously? The ScotRail franchise is held by a TOC called NedRailways? That's worth a laugh! Moonraker12 (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

It's the original name of Abellio (transport company) - Ned is a contraction of Nederlandse Spoorwegen (Netherlands Rail). I guess they rebranded when they realised it sounded like they were a bunch of wee neds! Cnbrb (talk) 18:20, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

"Notes" column in Current franchises section

Is this really needed? I think it looks untidy and the information can be found in current/former TOC articles anyway - Coradia175 (talk) 16:08, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Franchises and concessions

The current franchises and concessions table should probably now be merged given that franchising is now dead and all TOCs are operating concessions. Garmuyth (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Agree. If you look here under each TOC's page, it states (on the ones I've looked at so far) "This contract replaces the franchise agreement...." What we should do first though is bring up to date every TOC (and Franchise article), together with the table on this article, to match the latest DfT numbers. I just fixed Anglia, which was wrong. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I have now validated and updated the first 9 rows up to and including Northern. Relevant TOC and Franchise articles also updated. 10mmsocket (talk) 10:25, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Worth noting that Crosscountry's latest agreement, expiring in 2023, is still a franchise agreement and not a contract. 10mmsocket (talk) 10:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

So all the contract / franchise expiry dates have been validated and updated both here and the respective franchise and TOC articles. --10mmsocket (talk) 18:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Labour rail reforms

Today Labour announced their plans to bring all passenger services into the public sector when contracts expire (by which they seem to mean after the Core Term Expiry Date). I have added the (potentially very important) CTED to the list of current operators. I have also corrected the final Expiry Date for operators where this was previously incorrect. I am not sure how much additional information should be added, or where.

There should probably be a line to explain the difference between the CTED and the ED (essentially the first and last dates the contract can end without changes to the contract itself). Should there also be information on the relevant part of Labour's reform plans? DK123GWR (talk) 16:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)