Talk:Parvati/Archive 1

Dakshayani should be merged into this article. Parvati is the most common name. Imc 10:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Good idea, unfortunately there are many hinduism pages on wikipedia that should only be one. Before there was Shiva and Mahadeva, and there are many more to still be merged. DaGizza ^{Chat (c)} 10:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

no....because.......other ppl might look for parvati

What do you mean, that makes no sense. When people are looking for Dakshayani or Parvati, they are looking for the same goddess, until you have some strange sort of Hindu cult. DaGizza ^{Chat (c)} 08:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I predict that anyone who knows anything about Hindusism would reccomend that the two be merged. Personally, I believe the best course of action is to just change the Dakshayani page to Parvati! Sethie 18:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Merger is not required as there is some differences. I will add fresh inputs to these two pages to make the matter clear. --Bhadani 15:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Clarification

I realise that the two wives of Shiva were actually two birth (incarnations) on earth of the same goddess Shakti. The first wife renounced her material self in order to be born "the daughter of a father who she could respect", was thus reborn, and wed the same lord Shiva again. I have made specific mention of all this in the Dakshayani article.

However, when I first created the "Dakshayani" page on 16/July/05, I designed it specifically to deal with the many legend and devotions regarding the FIRST wife of Shiva. This was a daughter of Daksha, hence I chose the appropriate name "Dakshayani" (which cannot be confused with "Parvati") as the title. I know that several names of Dakshayani (including "Sati", "Gowri" and "Lalitha") are also routinely applied to Parvati, second wife of Shiva and daughter of Himavan. However, the cluster of legends associated with Parvati had best be kept on the "Parvati" page while the "Dakshayani" page is devoted to the first Avatara. This is best; please keep it so.

As an anology, Rama & Krishna are both avataras of the same Vishnu; does it make sense to merge the three articles together? Similarly this case. ImpuMozhi 02:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

However, the Dakshayani/Sati page has more information than Parvati, which is just bizarre. Most people would mean Parvati when speaking of Devi in the form of Shiva's consort. Most of the time you'll see Sati described as the originating personality of Parvati rather than the Goddess which is seen to exist beside Shiva in the present tense. It's not so much a case of Rama and Krishna but of the butter-stealing babe versus the lover and the prince. And even then the analogy doesn't entirely work--there are plenty of legends of Parvati, but if you look for the first incarnation, you'll get the self-immolation story and little else: she simply doesn't have as big a role in the mythology and practice as Parvati does. Comparing the two articles on Wikipedia, you'd get the opposite idea, and it strikes me as misinformation--it's wildly in contrast with the info provided in most sources, which would fit a controversial study/interpretation by an independent scholar, but not an encyclopedia article. I don't have an issue about a different aspect having her own page, but I can't see why so many internal links within Wikipedia should point to Sati when what they mean is Parvati. That, I think, is what people want to acheive by a merger. I'd propose moving a lot of the information from Dakshayani to Parvati and fixing internal links to point to Parvati (and include a brief description of her first incarnation within this article) rather than a merger. After all, there's a separate Nataraja page for Shiva, a Narayan page for Vishnu, etc...--Snowgrouse 18:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hoary?

Please see here 3. So old as to inspire veneration; ancient. VMO 11:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be a more extensive list of Parvati temples; not just those in Tamil Nadu.

There should especially be some research done into the temples to Parvati in the Himalayan region as she is said to be the daughter of Himalaya, or Haimavat. The trouble is, the Aryan invasion hit the northern region quite hard, and if we assume Parvati to be a non-aryan deity, then a lot of the traces of her worship can be assumed to be lost. I haven't the means at my disposal to research this but I think it's a worthy projectAaronCarson (talk) 19:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed unsourced devotee praise

What is indoprofile - the ref provided by anon???

"Of Goddesses, one stands above all: Parvati. In certain texts she is even called the Goddess of Wealth, Lakshmi, and the Goddess of Learning, Saraswati, in addition to being idolized as the Goddess of power." needs a ref

"The daughter of the snowclad mountains. The consort of Shiva. The one who is incarnation of all energy, she is A Parvati, also called Uma, Gauri, Durga, Kali and so on. " "She, Sati, Parvati, Gauri is the consort of the magnificent Shiva. She, Kali, is also the consort of Time, as Shiva himself is the embodiment of time in his form as Mahakala. "

Names already listed

"A long, long time ago, Brahma created a beautiful maiden called Sati who was born to a king called Daksha. Siva married her. Years of conjugal bliss followed. One day, however, Sati heard that a major religious function was being celebrated in her father’s house. She was a little upset that her parents had not invited her or her husband. After tossing and turning in bed for many a night, one morning she decided she would go even if she were uninvited.

After all it was only to her father’s house, Siva, however, cautioned her. He did not want her to go uninvited. Sati thought a while, but eventually left because she just wanted to go to her parents. There, as Siva had predicted, Sati was insulted. She jumped into the sacred fire burning for the ceremony for she could not bear to go back and tell her husband her parents had insulted her.

Siva was enraged. He was deeply grieved. He just could not bear the loss. As he carried her body across the country, different parts of her body are believed to have fallen off in many places and even today these places are sacred in Hindu mythology."

The story is already written in Dakshayani.

"Of Durga and her ferocious form, the story is told as this: Once upon a time there was a demon called Mahishasura. He was troubling the people on earth. No God could subdue him. All the gods came together and their energies together formed the goddess called Durga. The Gods then empowered her with their weapons which epitomized their strength. Thus armed and blessed, Durga went to tackle Mahishasura. She vanquished him and thereupon came to be called Mahishasura mardini or the killer of Mahisha the demon.

This month, all over India, Dusshera is being celebrated. Dusshera celebrates this story of how Durga conquered Mahishasura. In the eastern part of the country, Dusshera is called Durga puja or praying to Durga."

Already written in Durga. The identification of Durga and Parvati is not unanimous. Discussed in "Other goddessessection"

"For a deity with such a profile, Parvati is rather unassuming. Of course as Durga or Kali she is portrayed as ferocious, but therein too lies a story painted in the live colours of the indignation of the wronged."

The identification of Parvati and Kali is not unanimous.

"A happy marriage lasted many years, and guess where the problem came when it did? Siva and Parvati were playing around when Siva called her, “Kali, Kali”. Now Kali means black and Parvati was very dark complexioned. Brahma had in fact made a deliberate decision to make her so because he did not want the world to know that Sati was being reincarnated. Now Parvati was deeply offended that her husband should think of the colour of her skin to hail her with. He could have called her any number of endearing words instead.

So she told him that she was going. That she would not meet him again till she was fair complexioned. Bewildered Siva was left ruing his tongue while Parvati went into the forests to do severe penance.

Another thousand years of penance, and Brahma appeared before Parvati. She asked for golden coloured skin. Brahma granted her the boon. Thereon Parvati came to be called Gauri or the one with skin the colour of gold."

Story is told once in the article as "The apparent contradiction that Parvati is addressed as the fair one, Gauri as well as the dark one Kali or Shyama can be explained by the following Hindu myth: when Shiva rebuked Parvati about her dark skin colour, the angry Parvati left him and underwent severe penace to get a fair colour as a boon from Brahma."

"As a mother, Parvati is looked upon as the mother, Parvati is looked upon as the mother of all creation; the Mother Goddess." REf needed for "the mother of all creation"

"As a woman Parvati has the distinction of one who had the most devoted husband" Ref

--Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Note for anon editor 59.94.246.157

Dear anon 59.94.246.157, great work done on Parvati but some of the matter written by you is maybe WP:OR and page nos. are needed for kingsley. Please create an account on wikipedia. Wiki needs fine editors like you. Regards. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 14:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sentences are WP:OR without refs: so removed from article. "The Parvati River in the region of Himachal Pradesh is a glacial runoff and is cold enough to stop the heart from beating. It is noted for flash floods, and the locals fear the Goddess. Parvati Valley is adjacent to the Kullu Valley (The famous Valley of the Gods) which was once considered to be the last inhabitable place by man. Any region north of Kullu Valley was thought of as the exclusive region of the Gods. Even in her own valley, Parvati’s worship has declined, to be replaced by other Goddesses and a large Sikh Temple (Gurdwar), but even today, traces of the old religion remain." --Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Redtiger, Thank you for your consideration and compliments on my editating. I found the reference for the section on Kullu and Parvati valleys and posted them with the reference. I don't want to discuss frivolous topics on Wikipedia, but it would be fun to discuss some of these religious and mystical aspects of Hinduism without some of the restrictions of Wikipedia, so is there a means of dropping you a line? I am 59.94.246.157. Also known asAaronCarson (talk) 18:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed the matter again as it is WP:UNDUE to the valley. A different article for the Valley can be formed and the info added there. If you need to talk to me, write on my talk page, whose link you will find in my sign ahead. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

"Her complexion is dark brown, but not black." unreferenced and contradiction to she represented as fair.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)