Talk:Park Chung Hee/Archive 1

NPOV

We need an expert for this article who can give more information, and make it more balanced. This article needs alot more information on Park's connection to Japan. Also, the current article only mentions Park's involvement in the move to an export-led model of development, while barely touching on the years of his repressive dictatorship.

I added a new section called Controversy and moved the "support" paragraph there. I also added info about the movie President's Last Bang. --202.7.166.163 05:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

President's Last Bang? this movie is leftiest propaganda, and it's a total fiction. It should not be included at all. This is hardly a NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.37.198.125 (talk) 07:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

There seems to be some nostalgia over aspects of his rule nowadays, but a Wikipedia article should do better. A-giau 06:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

I agree, there is no context to too many of the facts presented in the article. For example, the passage about his austere lifestyle is largely irrelevent and seems, without further elaboration, to be mere boosterism. Also, if he was such a down to earth, humble and honest individual, what lead him to make sweeping constitutional amendments?

Need more details on his assasination

Some people led a simple life, and Park is one of them. He didn't even turn on air conditioning during hot summer. back then, it was a luxury that normal Koreans couldn't afford, and he did't lead a comportable life even though he could —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.37.198.125 (talk) 07:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

I can give more details but..

I stink at writing. So here's just few info.

- Korean websites list Noverber 14th, 1917 as his birthday (including Korean National Archives). September 30th would be Lunar Calendar date of November 14th in 1917. http://www.archives.go.kr/president/pjh/profile.html

- Had his name changed to Japanese Takaki Masao たかぎ まさお (Hanja 高木正雄) during Japanese occupation. Although Japan passed a law forcing Koreans to do so. Many resisted and got prison terms and some even executed rather than to change their names.

I repute that. He was born in a colony. He didn't have many options. You would have done the same, and your grand parents must have done it too. Accusation is just your opinion.

1937 : Park graduated from teacher's college in Daegu and teached at elementary school until 1940.

1945 : Japan surrendered. Park is First Lieutenant in Japanese Imperial Army.

1946 : He graduates from what later became South Korean military academy.

1947 : Promoted to the rank of Captain in South Korean Army.

1948 : November 11 - December that year, gets arrested and found guilty in military tribunal of being a spy for illegal organization [South (Korean) Labour(worker's) Party]. -Senteced to "life in prison" but had it suspended.

Although I cannot give more specific information on this page about President
Park, I totally agree that this page definitely needs editing. This is absolutely
unbalanced, biased and humiliating to the victims of Park's dictatorship.

 Furthermore, even though the Inhyeokdang executions were such a big issue, and
is now making a lot of controversy over Park's regime, this page doesn't mention
anything about the legal murder executed by KCIA and the president then. Inhyeok-
Dang means People's revolution party in English was an imaginary party created by
the government to maintain the regime.

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Peoples Republic of China writing

Since this is an English version of Wiki there is no need for a section written in the Chinese communist modified version of Hanwen characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.159.215 (talk) 20:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Dictator

Changing the POV "dictator" to NPOV "leader"--72.191.31.112 (talk) 01:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Somebody changed this back to "autocratic dictator", and I agree with them. They also added two sources. The sentence in question is in the main paragraph at the top of the article. FFLaguna (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, this person made this comment a full year before me. I'm going to remove the NPOV template from the main page now. FFLaguna (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

It is quite unWikipedian to describe a military ruler who is elected president as a "autocratic dictator". Furthermore he cannot have been "fervidly" condemned, as there is no such word! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.223.229 (talk) 07:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Although he made a Coup d'etat in 1961, he was elected in 1963. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franknam96 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Relationship to Korea war crimes

I have replaced the link to Korean war crimes if for no other purpose than Park involvement in the cover of them.

The flood of exposure that happened in post-Korean War South Korea came to an immediate halt when the United States backed the military coup by Park Chung-Hee in 1961.

Many individuals that came forward to report war crimes and crimes against humanity were sent to prison. Many remained locked up for decades and suffered torture.

Koreans use "han" to describe this suppressed grief and rage thousands of families had to suffer during this period. --Ex-oneatf (talk) 09:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I provide the follow sourse and propose its inclusion in the article. Would any individuals opposing this please provide their sources. Thank you.

Src: The International Association of Democratic Lawyers (IADL), an organization in consultative status with ECOSOC, represented at UNESCO and UNICEF and affiliate to the Korea Truth Commission. E/CN.4/Sub.2/2003/NGO/12 14 July 2003 --Ex-oneatf (talk) 09:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Chopsticks

"Park is also credited for the enforcement of stainless steel eating utensils and bowls." Really? I thought Koreans had been using metal sujeo for centuries... 125.69.147.143 (talk) 06:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Traditional sujeo is made of wood or brass, not stainless. So, traditional brass sujeo was not used often but in holidays or rituals and took a lot of effort to shine the rusty sujeo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.122.252 (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Sujeo means spoon in Korea and is used along with chotsticksKhkim1992 (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Chuju

Why does Chuju redirect here? Badagnani (talk) 01:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a name of Parkchunghee from child hoos. It was given to mean that his essense is strong. 174.99.110.64 (talk) 06:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

1961 or 1963?

I am seeing both dates in the article for when he took office- this should be something concrete.

-Simfan34 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.198.55.131 (talk) 20:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Religious affiliation

One section of the article states his religion as Christianity, and another section states Buddhism. Might want to clear that up. --RisingSunWiki 22:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Park's Communist Connection

Since I no longer allow myself to contribute anything on South Korean politics. (Koreans are quite scary online) I wonder if anybody has an information on Park Chung-hee and his Communist affiliations. He was used to be a member of a Communist Party in South Korea before the Korean War. (Korean source)

It's kind of disturbing to say. It is kinda freaky to think that his daughter is a presidential candidate right now. Komitsuki (talk) 08:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Health Care?

Park Chung Hee is also noted for launching his efforts for universal health care system for Koreans. I would like to see this included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.72 (talk) 00:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Takaki Masao?

Knowing absolutely nothing about naming conventions in Korea, like, I imagine, the majority of readers, I'm wondering... what does Takaki Masao mean? It redirects here, and is listed parenthetically under his name in the infobox, but there's no mention of it anywhere else in the article. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 07:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

That is the Japanese name he took up when he joined the Japanese-sponsored Manchurian army. There is quite a controversy as to the extent of Park's pro-Japanese leanings. The name has no particular meaning - it is a conventional Japanese surname and forname. And by the way - I am a Francophobe and Anglophile - almost the same, no? - (Joke.) Akafd76 12:37, 21 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akafd76 (talk • contribs)

Takaki Masao is not partial name, not second name, not assumed name. Takaki Masao was his official name and legal name before 1945. In that period, He didn't use 'Park Chung-hee'. He used the name 'Takaki Masao' on official documents before 1945. That is not controversial, but confirmed by historical records. -- 타이호 (talk) 14:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Violations of WP:OWN

I noticed that there editors who prefer to see a crap article with contradictions poor writing and awful prose (but pushing POVs) is preferential to a well-written article that has little or few of these issues.

I think it is disgusting that WP:OWN, WP:BOLD makes that clear. So reverting back to the crappy article is plain embarrassing!86.178.232.169 (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

The Yusin Constitution was clearly dictatorial

From the Yusin phase from 1974 Park was clearly a very autocratic dictator (that was the purpose of the constitution). You've locked up the article now but I draw your attention to this news source about the Saenuri Party attempting (largely successfully) to alter foreign reporting of the period: http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/565724.html Akafd76 18:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akafd76 (talk • contribs)

Proposal to add a one line statement regarding Park's daughter Geun-hye

In the 'Legacy' section, the last sentence states the following regarding Park's daughter, Geun-hye: "She later resigned her post in order to prepare a presidential bid for an upcoming election. However, she lost her bid to her intra-party rival, Lee Myung Bak.[22]" Please add a statement that clearly indicates that in 2012, Park Geun-hye won her bid to become president; i.e In 2012, she ran again, this time winning her bid to become the first female president of South Korea. Awd smirk (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Protection of this article expired before this request was responded to. As long as the article does not become protected again, you should be able to make this edit yourself as long as it is within the policies on consensus, verifiability, neutral point-of-view, and biographies of living persons. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:37, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

References

Fix the intro

I don't know what's going on in the intro paragraph but it looks like it was written by someone with either a limited understanding of English or with no ability to edit. Examples:

He then re-elected for twice.

he restored the constitution and made himself became the president in life

Despite surviving two assassination attempts by agents of North Korea, Park was List of assassinated people on October 26, 1979 by the chief of his own security services.

he ruled the country in a dictator

I really don't know how the intro could end up in such a sad state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.89.224 (talk) 09:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

cleaned up.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Yusin

Many people say that Yusin was just like bureaucratic authoritarianism. It could be a little bit subjective, but scholars and sociologists explain Yusin was similar to despotic governments of Latin America countries. Tksgk262 (talk) 13:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Sanha Lee(Tksgk)

Citations needed, and I doubt citations reffering to definition pages on Wikipedia count.

I added a citation needed tag to a section of the article. I noticed a few problems with it. First, a paragraph lacks any citations. When you call someone a dictator, you need evidence to back it up. Second, the paragraph reads poorly. So too does the line after this paragraph, with a couple typos. Finally, the line after the paragraph has two citations to definition pages on Wikipedia. A definition on what constitutes a dictatorship is not proof that someone was a dictator.

I do believe that there is sufficient evidence to argue that Park was a dictator out there, which is why I did not just delete the section. But let us see it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.241.189.200 (talk) 07:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough; I've added the word dictator with a ref (Hyung-A Kim (2 August 2004). Korea's Development Under Park Chung Hee. Routledge. p. 11. ISBN 978-1-134-34982-1.). I hope this is sufficient, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:48, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

he was practicly a dictator

There are no information or notes at the start that he was in fact an authoritarian ruler if not dictator.--Crossswords (talk) 14:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

"However, the newer generations of Koreans, including those who fought for democratization, tend to believe his authoritarian rule was unjustified and corrupt, and that he hindered South Korea's transition to democracy." Abstractematics (talk) 17:06, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I've added the word dictator to the lead, I think it is an important and non-controversial term highly relevant to this historical figure. Similar, for example, to Józef Piłsudski or Augusto Pinochet, both of whose leads use that word. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Why zero mention of his daughter, President Park Geun-hye, in introductory paragraphs?

Hi. I was surprised to find not a single reference in the opening paragraphs about his daughter, Park Geun-hye, President of South Korea. Isn't the fact that this man's daughter is now the incumbent President of Korea enough to have it at least referred to in one opening sentence? It's a pretty important piece of information, and considering that any and all family connections between other nation's political leaders (such as the Clintons, Kennedys, Nehru-Gandis or Aquinos, or even Park Guen-hey's own page) have such connections prominently featured right in the opening paragraphs makes the omission here seem suspicious. This oversight should be rectified, in my humble opinion. Thanks!114.158.149.192 (talk) 08:10, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

The lead is simply too short. Be bold and expand it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Misleading in Coup Section

"The military takeover rendered powerless the democratically elected government of President Yun ending the Second Republic."

The problem with this sentence is that it fails to realise, or make clear, the fact that this period was the Republic's failed attempt at parliamentary democracy (1960-61) and as such it was Prime Minister Chang Myon who held actual power. President Yun as head of state was really just a figurehead and would continue to be so. I suggest a change to this.

--Jameslittlenz (talk) 21:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Miner and nurses dispatched to Germany

Hi, I think it would be nice to include the fact Korean men were sent to Germany as mine workers and Korean women were sent to Germany as nurses as part of president Park's economic plan to allow more income flowing to country. And at the legacy section the fact that old generation considers Park as great president is, I think, bit biased or the fact that splitting view on him based on age or generation is unfair because there are many people from old generation (I am from Korea) who think that he was just a dictatorKhkim1992 (talk) 02:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Reason for removal of picture of him in japanese military uniform

For a long time next to the section describing his time in the manch. amry (japanese army), there was a picture of him in that uniform but it has been removed. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edpark717 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

"Hoku Shoki" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Hoku Shoki. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cha_Ji-chul

I made a article about one of his bodyguards. can someone give me some feedback? thanks. article is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cha_Ji-chul

--Cakepops or bust (talk) 23:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Cakepops_or_bust