Talk:Palestinian refugee camps

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historical trends?

Historical stats on the various camps would be useful data to add. +sj + 20:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

West Bank camps are illegal settlements

The 19 West Bank camps built under Jordan's illegal occupation should be described as illegal. Let's have some consistency here. Chesdovi (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I have not found any of those elusive sources yet. Have you SD? Chesdovi (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Palesitnian NOT Palestine

The topic of this page is camps designated as those populations centers administered by UNRWA on behalf of the Palesintian people, not within a geographic area known as Palestine. By including locaitons in Lebanon and Syria, especially, it seems to imply the those locaitons are locations in an area called Palestine, and not peopled by those called Palestinians. For example, during WWII the US interned many people of Japanese descent within the United States. These were Japanese internment camps, not Japan internment camps. The issue is both one of grammatical and geographic error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 (talk) 11:28, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

The article has since been renamed from "Palestine refugee camps" to "Palestinian refugee camps". -- Beland (talk) 17:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

article scope

This article is about Palestinian refugee camps. If you'd like to make an article on camps established for Holocaust survivors or for Jews who were forced out or left Arab countries following 1948 by all means make that article. This article however is about another topic. nableezy - 18:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

While I do agree with you that a distinction needs to be made between the two camps - something I was in discussion with Miraclexix about on his talk page prior to the reverts - this page needs to be renamed/moved to "Palestine Refugee Camps." UNWRA refers to the camps as Palestine Refugee Camps, and the refugees themselves as Palestine refugees. There are some other changes I would like to make as well, but first I think the renaming of the article to fit the UNRWA designation is more important. Goalie1998 (talk)

That would be another discussion, however that wouldnt change the scope, and further the UNRWA name wouldnt be the determining factor for the article name, that would be dependent on which term is more widely used in reliable sources. Regardless, this article covers a specific topic, and that topic refugee camps established for Palestinians who were forced from their homes in 1948 and in 1967. nableezy - 00:11, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Isn't the point of the article to be correct? And isn't the most reliable source the group that created the camps? Any other source that calls the camps something else is inherently incorrect. For example, if people start calling you "Moe" instead of "nableezy," that doesn't change the fact that you are actually called "nableezy." The naming of the camps isn't something that is a contentious issue in the general public, just a misnomer. This page should be moved to "Palestine refugee camps" with a redirect from "Palestinian refugee camps." Goalie1998 (talk) 06:49, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Listen, I havent objected to a change. Im saying though that theres this topic, that being refugee camps established for the Palestinians following 1948 and 1967. Now however most sources refer to this topic is how we would choose the name for the article. Correct for an article name here means the name most commonly used in reliable sources. nableezy - 07:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand. Goalie1998 (talk) 15:33, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

From WP:Article titles, the policy on naming articles:

Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources.

See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:official names. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 00:35, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ok. My issue with that is the only source used in the article is UNRWA itself. So as such, shouldn't the article be named to match? Goalie1998 (talk) 09:25, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Proposed Edits

Hello! I would potentially like to make some additions to this page. I think this page could benefit from adding a section on what life is like inside of the camps, so I would mainly discuss issues such as health, education, and living conditions. If you would like to see my sources, feel free to check out my page! Courtwang (talk) 02:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Name Change to Concentration

Media reflects these camps as concentration. Perhaps a change of name is needed. There are claims of forced labour to mention by the way.Kafkasmurat (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name of this article is the one commonly used by independent, reliable English-language sources. I checked the New York Times, the BBC, and Fox News, and they all use "refugee". Looking at List of concentration and internment camps, Wikipedia distinguishes between detention in a concentration camp where leaving is not permitted, prisoner-of-war camp which is also involuntary, and a refugee camp where leaving is possible and the camp is an alternative to integrating into local settlements (which may or may not be allowed) or returning to the area of origin (which refugees left for security or economic reasons). The cited article appeared in Al Akhbar (Lebanon), and upon close reading is actually not referring to any of the camps listed in this article, but a set of 5 camps that only existed from 1948 to 1955. Those camps might make an interesting subject for a separate article. -- Beland (talk) 17:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Ein Al-Tal refugee campm

When you click on the Ein Al-Tal refugee camp, it brings it but in arabic Wikipedia, someone please fix this to make it open English Wikipedia, here is the link if you would kindly do so: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Al-Tal (. M. Is mobile Wikipedia, remove it if you want) Egyptio (talk) 10:00, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

What page are you clicking on? Zero^talk 10:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

•  Done Thanks, Huldra (talk) 23:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Camps missing articles in Syria and Lebanon

We currently only have articles for the towns or cities next to these 8 camps. Arabic wikipedia has articles on each of the camps.

Syria

• Al-Nayrab: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم النيرب
• Al-Sabinah: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم سبينة
• Khan Dannun: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم خان دنون
• Khan al-Shih: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم خان الشيح
• Daraa: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم درعا
• Hama: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم حماة

Lebanon

• Dbayeh: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم ضبية
• Bourj el-Barajneh: Arabic wiki article at ar: مخيم برج البراجنة

Onceinawhile (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I have started the below articles, as rough translations from the Arabic articles.

• Bourj el-Barajneh camp
• Dbayeh camp
• Hama camp
• Daraa camp
• Khan al-Shih camp
• Khan Danoun camp
• Al-Sabinah camp
• Al-Nayrab Camp

Onceinawhile (talk) 19:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin: I was inspired to do this work today having noticed your work on a few of the other camp articles. I also did some work to clarify the situation of a few of the Gaza Strip camps. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for these, will take a closer look later- I noticed the previous ones from the list article only had Arabic articles, and felt moved to remedy the matter for the English language wikipedia. It seems sourcing of refs is quite problematic - not helped by multiple possible transliterations... Yadsalohcin (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I have also updated the three templates: Template:Palestinian refugee camps, Template:Palestinian refugee dispersion map and Template:Palestinian refugee camps map. I think 100% of the camps now have articles. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Palestinian Gatherings

UNDP map of Palestinian Gatherings in Lebanon

Palestinian Gatherings in Lebanon seems worthy of a new article. A good map from here: [1] As the UNDP says: Palestinian Gatherings represent one of the most vulnerable and marginalized host communities in Lebanon. They represent informal refugee areas that do not have official camp status and do not fall under the mandate of official entities. Estimated 140,000 host and displaced Palestinian refugees live in dire conditions that have long existed in the gatherings, marked by poverty and inequality; lack of service provision; run-down physical environments; and limited access to jobs and income generation opportunities.

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Abu Shukheidim

Palestinian refugee camps near Ramallah (Deir Ammar, Jalazun, Qaddura, Al Amari, Silwad) in the 2018 OCHA OpT map Ramallah (cropped)

@Yadsalohcin: I think Abu Shukheidim should be removed from the list, or put in its own category:

• The source given shows its population as N/A
• The Arabic version of the Abu Shukheidim article ar:أبو شخيدم describes it as a village in which many refugees came to live, not as a camp
• The OCHA OpT map (see right) does not call it a camp, but other unofficial camps like Qaddura are called a camp

Onceinawhile (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile:As a complete novice in the field of Palestinian refugee camps, I am happy with what you've set out here- I hope my efforts have helped. Do say if there's anything more I can do to help.Yadsalohcin (talk) 00:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)