Talk:PHerc. Paris. 4

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 04:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that it took a particle accelerator and machine-learning algorithms to extract the charred text of PHerc. Paris. 4 without unrolling it? Source: First passages of rolled-up Herculaneum scroll revealed [1]
  • ALT1: ... that former CEO of GitHub Nat Friedman funded an effort to read the Herculaneum papyri such as PHerc. Paris. 4 without physically opening it? Source: University of Kentucky: 'Grand Prize' discovery made from 2,000-year-old Herculaneum scrolls [2]
  • ALT2: ... that an undiscovered work attributed to Greek philosopher Philodemus was found in the charred remnants of a papyrus scroll through machine learning algorithms? Source: First passages of rolled-up Herculaneum scroll revealed [3]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Frederik Kinch

Created by NeverBeGameOver (talk), Ifly6 (talk), and StarTrekker (talk). Nominated by NeverBeGameOver (talk) at 05:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/PHerc. Paris. 4; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• I would not use the first one related to Nat Friedman. It sounds too much like an endorsement or promotion thereof. The second, noting the discovery of a work by Philodemus, is reasonable and is sourced reliably (Nature). Ifly6 (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice article on interesting topic. Funny how so much high-tech is needed to reveal a fairly mundane text! I prefer the original hook, which is more succinct then ALT2. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing in this article

The article currently relies too much on primary sources, especially those like the Vesuvius Challenge. This is warned against at WP:PRIMARY: Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. I do not believe LiveScience to be reliable. (See WP:RS; but note also that my standards are very high on reliability.) The citations to the LiveScience articles regardless add very little of value. They should excised inasmuch as the claims made thereat are repeated by more reliable publications such as Nature or Smithsonian Magazine. Ifly6 (talk) 06:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Duly noted. Done. NeverBeGameOver (talk) 21:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I also think further work should be done on previous attempts to read this scroll. Articles on the scroll and attempts to read it have been published in Nature previous to the recent breakthrough. Ifly6 (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I can definitely elaborate on that after I am done with work. The scroll was a topic of discussion in NYT's Podcast "Hard Fork" and they did go thru some details I can tack on. NeverBeGameOver (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Podcasts are not reliable sources. The best sources are scholarly ones and articles, especially on archaeology and classics, should be focused on those. Ifly6 (talk) 02:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I did not say I was going to source the podcast. I meant to say I caught wind of a few facts that were already in the journals and artivles. NeverBeGameOver (talk) 03:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)