Talk:PCM (disambiguation)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. This is now a well-formed move request and the move could certainly be done if there was consensus for it. At present the move has only one supporter so it lacks consensus. The general sentiment is that the other topics that want to use the acronym 'PCM" are not as important as Pulse-code modulation. In fact, that page gets 12,000 views per month and has over 500 incoming links, so the argument that it is the primary topic for 'PCM' has some basis. Some editors stated that a request to move the page might be refiled after the DAB page was appropriately cleaned up. I'm not clear on what the needs for cleanup might be, but the nature of the required cleanup might be further explored here on this talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 17:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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PCM (disambiguation) → PCM – On July 26, 2013 JHunterJ made the change described as: "Undid revision 565853884 by Coastwise (talk) rv WP:MALPLACED; use WP:RM to move the disambiguation page here if this needs to be a disambiguation page." JHunterJ's reasoning is a misapplication of WP:Malplaced. Further, for the reasons below PCM should be a disambiguation page. My requests are that: (1) the content of PCM (disambiguation) (which does not have an editable talk page for requesting the move there) be moved here; and (2) all uses of the acronym PCM in that content should be listed alphabetically, with none floating to the top (as is presently the case).

WP:Malplaced says at one point: "Is there a primary topic? Although a word, name or phrase may refer to more than one topic, it is sometimes the case that one of these topics is the primary topic. This is the topic to which the term should lead, serving as the title of (or a redirect to) the relevant article. If there is no primary topic, the term should be the title of a disambiguation page (or should redirect to a disambiguation page on which more than one term is disambiguated). The primary topic might be a WP:Disambiguation#Broad-concept articles, as mentioned above."

It continues with two examples: (1) "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." Pulse-code modulation does not satisfy this requirement, particularly given the long list of terms on the disambiguation page that are described by the PCM acronym. (2) "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." I do not believe that Pulse-code modulation can satisfy this measure either.

Further, a WP:Disambiguation#Broad-concept articles exists "if the primary meaning of a term proposed for disambiguation is a broad concept or type of thing that is capable of being described in an article, and a substantial portion of the links asserted to be ambiguous are instances or examples of that concept or type, then the page located at that title should be an article describing the broad concept, and not a disambiguation page." Pulse-code modulation is not nearly an article of sufficient breadth to encompass the diverse uses of the acronym PCM that are described at PCM (disambiguation). And, under WP:Disambiguation the principle is to make it easy for readers to find an article of interest, whereby my requested move eliminates one confusing step for all but one of the terms in the long list on the remote disabmiguation page.

For these reasons, and as JHunterJ suggested in his/her edit summary, I request the move described above. Relisted and relocated. Favonian (talk) 11:18, 3 August 2013 (UTC). Coastwise (talk) 06:51, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

• Comment, if PCM (disambiguation) was cleaned up first (organized into sections, per MOS:DABORDER), that would make discussion more productive. I would give it a shot, but I'm heading out the door... :) –Quiddity (talk) 02:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

• Comment this is a malformed move request. In the first place, this should be occurring at Talk:PCM (disambiguation), not here. This page will be lost when the move occurs, or we will have a very crappy day figuring out which talk page should be the active one. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

• Comment – a agree with both comments: it needs to be cleaned up to just list things actually called PCM first. And this RM is in the wrong place and that needs to be fixed before it can be closed. Dicklyon (talk) 04:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:PCM

 – as part of the relisting process. Favonian (talk) 11:18, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, per my comment above. After it is put in decent shape, a new RM might be in order to move it. As it stands, though, the very important topic that PCM redirects to would be lost in the noise of this acronym cruft page disguised as a dab page. Dicklyon (talk) 06:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment: JHunterJ's application of WP:MALPLACED was exactly correct. You can not redirect a "Foo" title to a "Foo (disambiguation)" title, period. bd2412 T 13:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the intent of the request is for "Foo (disambiguation)" to become "Foo". Which wouldn't be malplaced. Coastwise (talk) 04:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

"per calendar month"

I'd like to add an entry to the list: "per calendar month (pcm), acronym used in lease arrangements, stating that costs are to be paid on a fixed date every month". This seems to be a common usage in the U.K., but not in the U.S. The problem is that there's no particular page to link this entry to; the page on leasing doesn't detail terms for payment schedules of leases. And there's no real need to have a link, the sentence is sufficient information. But the style manual says "Include exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers to the most relevant article for that use of the ambiguous term." On the other hand, "Many pages serve primarily to disambiguate short letter combinations that can represent various acronyms and initialisms.", and this is helpful for disambiguating "pcm" in common use. DWorley (talk) 19:42, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I expected to find it on this page and I didn't, but it would be useful.2.3.50.169 (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages are not an acronym glossary. If there's no article content in Wikipedia supporting the usage, there's no need for an entry. older ≠ wiser 15:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Move per-cent-mille to technology section

Hi,

At the moment the per-cent-mille link is located in 'Other uses' section. Since the biggest use of the term is in nuclear engineering (as evident from the Per_cent_mille page content), I propose the the page be moved to 'Technology' section.

LargeEddy (talk) 16:00, 27 August 2020 (UTC)