Talk:Old Left/Archive 1
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Make more global
This article seems to concentrate on the Left in the USA. Can something be added about the rest of the world? Emeraude 15:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Did it decline for 30 years?
How could the Palmer raids have contributed to the downfall of the Old Left if the Old Left reached its height years after said raids? Maybe we need another page for the "Old Old Left"...
I Am Not The Walrus 21:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
what?
this article is completely laking ref's and seems to focus solely on the socialist/communist movements. What happened to the progressives and moderate leftists of the era? They were part of the "old left" as well.Jackbirdsong (talk) 03:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
What about the non-Marxist left?
This is a very narrow definition of the Old and New Lefts. I was expecting a broader vision that included non-Communist socialists, social democrats, labor activists, populists and civil rights activists.
I have traditionally thought of "Old Left" as meaning a central focus on labor rights, economic inequality and the social contract. The "New Left" would refer to civil rights and the various cultural liberation movements from the 1950s onward. By this definition I would be considered "New Old Left."
Somebody seriously needs to consider giving this page a major overhaul! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.170.43.227 (talk) 02:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
REDIRECTED
Complete nonsense. Titled Old Left, but discusses everything else EXCEPT old left... Have redirected to general Left Wing page. Maybe one day, someone will come along and resurrect the page with information worthy of the title... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.3.65.20 (talk) 13:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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Complete and utter nonsense
In all my years on Wikipedia I've never seen such an atrocious article. This article seems to think that the only difference between the "Old Left" and the "New Left" is that the Old Left was completely opposed to homosexuality and feminism. This is simply not true, not entirely. Feminism and LGBT rights were supported by a variety of "Old Leftists" such as Edward Carpenter, Charles Fourier and Emma Goldman. Not all Old Leftists were vanguardists either, many were anarchists.
Also, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Party of Socialists of the Republic of Moldova are not representatives of Old Left traditions. Both of them are nationalist parties that have long abandoned socialist ideology.
I am blanking this page until someone writes a better one. Charles Essie (talk) 15:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Charles Essie, I agree that this article seems to have a singular and presumably unsuitable focus on sexual politics (or secual mores) and could do with a complete overhaul. However, I doubt that blanking the lot in absence of replacement material is going to make any friends. If you think you can make a case that having this in place is worse than having nothing at all (or a redirect), I suggest you put it up at WP:AFD and see how it goes. It's likely that the issue is not so clear-cut to everyone that just unilaterally nuking the article will work. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, I was never in favor of deleting this page. I blanked it because I thought it was a gross misrepresentation of the subject matter and needed to rewritten. I now see that was a mistake but my feelings haven’t changed. Charles Essie (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- Consider placing {{Cleanup rewrite}} on the page then (I won't do it because then I'd be liable to explain the reasoning :), or starting a rewrite yourself. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:06, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, I was never in favor of deleting this page. I blanked it because I thought it was a gross misrepresentation of the subject matter and needed to rewritten. I now see that was a mistake but my feelings haven’t changed. Charles Essie (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Remove, replace, redirect
O my God, this is the worst and most biased article i've ever read on a left-wing-politics topic. It's, so to speak, the attempted revenge of the New Left. In order not to make political history more complicated than it is, I suggest to redirect "Old Left" to "Labour Movement".178.114.141.87 (talk) 00:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I think this article should be kept but completely rewritten. Charles Essie (talk) 02:41, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Top 1 Facts: before we just start rewriting the whole darn thing, we must ask ourselves: what IS the Old Left exactly?Vulcan300GO TO GULAG CYKA (UTC)