Talk:Nordic aliens

Opening Paragraph

In the opening paragraph, there is a phrase that says, "less than 1,000 million years old". Is this correct? The actual article for the star cluster we are speaking of says it is between 75-150 million years old. 1,000 million seems to be quite far from that.Leviathanlover (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

-- Its all make believe bro 121.45.254.70 (talk) 04:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Sceptic faq

I do not see the specific information mentioned at the link given. DGG 01:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• i did a quick search, look at "3.8: Have people been abducted by UFOs?" in the source (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 16:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Take me to your editor

...and tell him/her/it to write up things about George Adamski and other such glaringly-absent topics in this article. Totnesmartin 17:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Be bold Totnesmartin! You're pretty familiar with these topics, why not help us out by including the material you feel is pertinent? If you come up with a basic sturcutre and set of facts, I'd be happy to flesh things out. I'm just not sure where you want to take this.LiPollis 20:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I will actually - yesterday I was busy (typing up info from a book I was going to give away), which is why I asked if someone else would do it. Chasing up the blonde venusians will be a welcome change. Totnesmartin 20:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure where I might take this information (or indeed If I should "take it" anywhere). Currently working on finding descriptions, but possibilities for inclusion could be:

• history of the phenomenon (is there anything pre-Adamski?);
• impact within ufology;
• wider cultural impact;
• psychology of contactees describing nordics compared to other contactees. (This one might be very difficult).

Totnesmartin 22:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

RE the last item on your list. It's probably worth including some cites about how the how Americans and Europeans describe encounters with Nordic Alien very differently. In the US they are mostly described as being involved with Greys (either their slaves or allies) and as sexually violating abductees (either forcing them to mate with them, or stealing sperm samples etc for hybrid experiments) while in Europe they are usually described as being knowledge bringers who are concerned that we will blow ourselves up or pollute our world, and as wanting contactees to spread messages of unity etc. - perfectblue 16:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

In Religion

I'm deleting part of the section under the title "In Religion" because Theosophy does not talk about extraterrestrial beings nor encourages belief in them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.23.63.67 (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's referring to his so-called "New Age Theosophy", so as long as the new age label is there you don't have to worry so much. Anyways, the part is referenced so I'm gonna go ahead and restore it but edit out the link to the Theosophical Society. -- œ^™ 11:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using galacticdiplomacy.com or exopolitics.org as a source or link

Both sites are registered personally to Michael Salla (via a P.O. box in Hawaii). Based on the site information (http://www.galacticdiplomacy.com/about.htm and http://exopolitics.org/about.htm) they exist to promote the existence of ETs and to sell services or raise money to enable others to contact ETs. The sites are self published, have no official affiliations and cannot be considered a reliable source, in any way independent or of academic interest. The sites fail WP:RS as a reference and WP:ELNO as a link. The sites might only be suitable for an article on Michael Salla or his company, the "Exopolitics Institute" based on the guidance of WP:SELFPUB.—Ash (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Direct Contact

Wikipedia poses a real dilemma in respect of this subject. The single most important fact about the matter of UFOlogy and of "aliens" is that none of it can be verified. As a young boy I sat on my Grandfathers knee, and he told me about the "others" he had seen from observation balloons in WW1. I thought him mad until the age of 19 when i saw what our French cousins call an "Ovni" on the south coast of England. Fortunately I was one of several persons to see it. Discussing it subsequently and many years later brought a visit from a "Nordic" man. I confirm the following:

They are indeed human, but not of any type I had ever before come face to face with. The physique is powerful, the neck short and strong and shoulders broad. The head is of a robust size with a very large cranium and high forehead. The eyes are closer together than the average Caucasian and very vivid blue. The hair is quite course and yellowish blond with a tendency to be vertical. He was pleasant but very dominant. He did not need to speak. The experience was most interesting. I do not think we have anything to fear from them save our own misgivings. I conclude having experienced what he was able to do that his people would have no difficulty doing pretty much anything they want, but here we all are alive and well in 2010. I feel the matter requires recognition only, research is pointless since it would appear that we know what they want us to know of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contactee80s (talk • contribs) 21:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• I am tempted to guess that the "real UFO's" were made and flown secretly by humans, and the "Nordic aliens" are white American human crew. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Travis Walton

Would the famous abduction claim of Travis Walton be fit to include? He described being first surrounded by a group of diminutive "grey" type beings, but when he resisted they hastily retreated and were replaced by a much less frightening trio of attractive, more human-like aliens (note that the "nordics" were absent from Hollywood's re-imagining of his case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.26.248 (talk) 16:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The Coming Race

I've added and reverted changes to the section on Edward Bulwer-Lytton's novel The Coming Race because it provides important links to the historical roots of Pleiadean mythology in Victorian science fiction. Although the terminology has changed, the concept of a super-human master race provides an important historical background to beliefs about Pleiadeans. Bulwer-Lytton suggests that the Vril-ya were descended from Aryans and extremely powerful due to their use of Vril, which itself figures prominently in narratives about Nazi technology and UFOs. While Bulwer-Lytton locates the Vril-ya within a hollow Earth instead of describing them as extraterrestrials, the influence of his work on narratives about Pleiadeans is clear. Hoopes (talk) 15:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, is this wikipedia or uncyclopedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.72.110.11 (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Randles & Clarke

Appreciate the work done to fix the article thus far. I'd be cautious about mixing the independent academic view with views of fringe promoters like Jenny Randles and Jerome Clarke. The other sources look terrific. - LuckyLouie (talk) 01:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I figured someone would say something like that, but I think the sources are OK for the claims being made. Neither source is being used to provide arguments in favor of the Nordics' existence.

• Jenny Randles is merely being used for a quote, and that quote itself basically jibes with what is said in the Chambers Dictionary. (Indeed, the entry in the Chambers book looks like it probably used Randles' prior writings as a source.)
• Jerome Clark is used because he nicely summarizes some basic historical details that can be pieced together from other sources. There's plenty of other information out there on Billy Meier, Howard Menger, George Adamski, etc. (Adamski even has an entry in the American National Biography.)

Also, there is a big difference between someone like Jerome Clark and someone like Prophet Yahweh. Clark is one of the more sensible writers on UFOs, and indeed, his entry on Nordic aliens in his book often reflects a skeptical attitude. Zagalejo^^^ 03:32, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I just checked: the American National Biography uses Clark as a source in its Adamski entry, and even says he provides the "best critical treatment" of the topic. If the American National Biography is willing to use Clark as a source, I think we can. Zagalejo^^^ 03:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

No worries. In the article we have a number of opinions attributed by academics to contactees, and then suddenly we had Randles, without any context or attribution, writing that (not only do the aliens exist) they're certainly involved in abducting people. So I added a bit of context, which you're welcome to finesse. And I know Clarke is well thought of, yet I've seen him widely misused across WP to support a 50/50 equal validity WP:VALID to both mainstream and fringe views, so I tend to err on the side of caution. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I made a couple of tweaks to your edits, but I think they're basically fine. The single brackets were used on purpose because the quote was slightly altered from the original: in the book, she spells "greys" with an A, and I was just trying for some internal consistency. I agree that it's always good to err on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. Zagalejo^^^ 17:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

This page is BIASED!

Nordic aliens live in Scandanavia, not Europe! LOL *Waiting for someone to call me stupid & correct me* 序名三「Jyonasan」 ^Talk_Stalk 19:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Humans?

Some suspect that many of the real UFO's were secret aircraft made on Earth and flown by humans. If so, 'Nordic aliens' are merely white USA human crew, plus official disinformation. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2012 (UTC)