Talk:Ninian Stephen

Australian Citizen ?

Was the Rt Hon. Sir Ninian Stephen a naturalised Australian Citizen ? Details appreciated. 203.129.54.113 04:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 00:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC) He migrated to Australia as a child? He must have been at least 15 if the school years are correct. Hardly a "child". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.111.52 (talk) 05:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hayes connection

JackofOz (talk): you reverted my removal of "One of his daughters, Mary, was married to Peter Hayes QC.", suggesting that I did so to protect (Stephen's?) reputation. No: I removed it because I think it is a distracting irrelevance. Can you agree? Wikiain (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, no, I don't agree, which is why I reverted it. I may have worded my edit summary a little bluntly, for which I apologise, but it was certainly not meant to reflect on your personal motivations, Wikiain.

But the fact remains that if one of his daughters was married to a well-known public figure whose name has NOT been subject to the sorts of disgrace Peter Hayes earned, I think we'd be having no difficulty in linking their names in the article. Ninian Stephen is a highly respected jurist, and Peter Hayes was a member of the legal profession. It's not surprising that one of the daughters married a lawyer, and that sort of connection is Wikipedia's stock in trade.

We make the link in the reverse direction at Peter Hayes (lawyer):

• He was survived by his former wife Mary Stephen (daughter of Sir Ninian Stephen), a son and two daughters.

So why not in this direction? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

No worries about my intentions, Jack. The item in the Hayes article tells us something about Hayes - that he had been married to a very respectable lady, thus one respect in which he fell from grace. But the item in the Stephen article tells us nothing about Stephen. I wouldn't include the fact that one of his daughters married a lawyer - hardly surprising, being brought up with lawyers all around and anyway there are a lot of them about. And it seems that she and Hayes were no longer married at the time of his death. Then what makes Hayes special in relation to Stephen? I still think that this item is a distracting irrelevance. Wikiain (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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Post-nominals

I propose that we get rid of the post-nominals in the first line of this article per MOS:POSTNOM, which states "When an individual holds a large number of post-nominal letters or seldom uses them (common among heads of state and members of royal families), they should only be described in the main body of the article and not in the lead." Векочел (talk) 21:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)