Talk:Nicholas Francis, Duke of Lorraine

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These sources/pages refer to him as Nicolas François, Duke of Lorraine:

1. ITALY.FLORENCE.Nicolas Francois of Lorraine AD 1634-1637.AR.Testone 1634 (coin but still relevant)
2. [1]
3. The Numismatic circular
4. A bewitched duchy: Lorraine and its dukes, 1477-1736
5. Kings, Rulers, and Statesmen
6. The history of France: from the earliest period to the present time, Volume 1
7. Italy in the Baroque: selected readings

I think he should be left as Nicolas François! All the above sources are English and as such support this removal from his present title! HRH the Prince of Piedmont (talk) 15:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for cooperation! However, the coin mentions him as N. Franc., which could just as well stand for Nicolaus Franciscus. The inscription on the coin is in Latin, after all. As for heraldica, you have cited some far more reliable sources than the hobby website. The other sources are fantastic, especially the one conerning directly the Dukes of Lorraine. The sources which call him Nicholas Francis are more numerous but do seem to be quite old and probably outdated.[2] So, on second thought, "Nicolas François" does seem to be a better choice. Surtsicna (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Heraldica is a hobby site, but it's written by an academic (in another field, admittedly) and maintains a very high level of quality and reliability, with direct citations to primary sources. If it doesn't count as a reliable source under current rules, then current rules should be changed, as it's one of the best sources around for the subjects it covers. john k (talk) 17:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

What about the title of the article? Do you agree that Nicolas François, Duke of Lorraine is a good option? Surtsicna (talk) 17:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think the anglicized form is rarely used. john k (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

That is what I think. What shall we do? HRH the Prince of Piedmont (talk) 23:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't care if it's in French or English but can the regnal number be restored. Nicholas II Francis or Nicolas II François. We don't call his son Charles Leopold or his grandson Leopold Joseph. Also his great grandson Francis Stephan is call Francis III Stephan with regnal when referring to his reign as Duke of Lorraine.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Do we really need numbers? Nicolas François [3], [4] (not Nicolas II François or Nicholas II Francis) is the correct name! We should also remove Nicholas I, Duke of Lorraine to Nicolas, Duke of Lorraine (for spelling as well as consistency) HRH the Prince of Piedmont (talk) 14:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)