Talk:New Victory Theater/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs) 18:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll take this. You know me - within a week or so. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Wow that aged like milk anyway never mind the timestamps here's the review ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:17, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Premeditated Chaos: No worries, I literally didn't notice. I've responded to most of your comments now, except for the last point, which I'll have to investigate a little further. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

• "leased to New 42nd Street," it isn't super clear that this is a non-profit org
  • I have clarified that now. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• "eleven venues for Legitimate theatre" is Legitimate supposed to be capitalized here?
  • Nope. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Putting the former names under the Design header doesn't really make sense to me
  • I've moved it down to "History". Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• I don't suppose there's any more information about this "Swiss garden" thing?
  • According to the New Victory Theater's website, it was an elaborate roof garden with a miniature farm. "This unique oasis featured a miniature Dutch village complete with real ducks, chickens, cows and a milkmaid who offered fresh milk to visiting children." I'm not sure how the Swiss garden differed from the Dutch garden, but I assume it was the theming. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• "Tomblike" without any clarification or context feels editorial. Can we attribute the word, or maybe explain a little?
  • I've attributed it to the Tribune and clarified that it was referring to the size of the lobby. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Do we know when the elevator was put in? It's ambiguous right now
  • It was installed during the 1990s renovation, so I've added that. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• I notice you really like the word "contain", there's at least a dozen of those. I'm not gonna harp on you too bad but some could probably be removed.
  • Yeah, I tend to overuse certain words like "contain". I've removed some uses of the word. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• "Belasco also built an apartment for himself and Mrs. Carter" um, was this scandalous? It feels like it should have been scandalous?
  • Not that I know of. It seems like they actually occupied separate apartments (the source says "Belasco carved out special quarters for himself and for his star, Mrs. Leslie Carter"), but I read that as "for himself and his star, Mrs. Carter" for some reason. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Maybe add a picture of Mrs. Carter since there are free ones and she comes up quite a bit?
  • I've done that and moved the 1920s image down. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Do we know why Belasco was going to lose the lease?
  • Belasco had to renew his lease every 4 to 5 years. Hammerstein could just refuse to renew Belasco's lease if someone else offered to lease the theater for a higher price. Belasco ultimately lost his lease after losing a lawsuit brought by Hammerstein, not because someone else outbid him. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• Why did lease renewal lead to a name change?
  • He wanted to transfer the Belasco Theatre name to the Stuyvesant Theatre. I think the renaming just happened at the same time as the lease renewal, rather than the renaming being because of the lease renewal. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• I'm so glad you included the stupid burlesque show titles. "Panties Inferno" is a downright gem.
  • Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• "The Republic stopped showing burlesque every time it was raided, but the managers reinstated the shows when officials left." This makes it sound like they went back to the burlesque the second officials walked out the door, but the source makes it clear it's more like they laid low for a bit and then resumed once they figured officials weren't paying attention anymore. Can it be reworded?
  • I've rephrased this. From what I've read, the theater sometimes closed down during a raid, only to reopen a few days later. Epicgenius (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
• "Stern devised..." goes into "A committee of experts..." and then back to Stern a few sentences later. Is this committee working with Stern or separate from him? Are the plans announced by city and state officials related to Stern? It's not clear.
  • After looking at the source again, I think these are two different studies that were devised at the same time. The Theatre Advisory Committee conducted a study of the theaters, which was released in October 1987; it called for the Victory and Liberty theaters to be used as nonprofit theaters. Prudential and Park Tower hired Stern the same year to conduct a separate study, but only for the theaters on the north side of the street (including the Victory), which was released in October 1988. Neither Stern's plan nor the TAC's plan were fully executed. The UDC's request for proposals in October 1988 did call for the Liberty and Victory to be used as nonprofit theaters, like in the TAC plan. I have now clarified this by moving up the sentences about Stern's model. Epicgenius (talk) 22:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, that's the end of the gripe list, nothing that won't be fairly easy to fix IMO. All the other GACR are met - no issues with POV, CV, OR, etc. Images are appropriate and validly free. Spot checks while reviewing showed no source-text integrity issues or CV. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

All gripes addressed, this is a pass. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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