Talk:New Brunswick New Democratic Party

Proposed move

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. -- From New Democratic Party (New Brunswick) to New Brunswick New Democratic Party. Please check redirects.

"New Brunswick" is in fact part of the name. Party constitution, Article 1 (PDF) — The Tom 20:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agreed wholeheartedly, I created the "New Brunswick New Democratic Party" redirect for that reason and link all of my additions to it as opposed to this incorrectly named article. - Jord 20:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:NDPLOGO.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in New Brunswick New Democratic Party

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of New Brunswick New Democratic Party's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "resign":

• From Dominic Cardy: "Dominic Cardy resigns as NDP leader". CBC News, 22 September 2014.
• From Queens (New Brunswick provincial electoral district): resigned
• From British Columbia New Democratic Party: "Adrian Dix resigns as B.C. NDP Leader". Globe and Mail. September 18, 2013. Retrieved November 23, 2013.
• From André Boisclair: "Boisclair quitting". 2007-05-08. Retrieved 2007-05-08.

Reference named "ctv":

• From New Brunswick New Democratic Party leadership election, 2017: "N.B. NDP leader resigns, citing control by 'tiny minority of well-connected members'". CTVNews. Retrieved 2017-01-28.
• From Dominic Cardy: "N.B. NDP leader resigns, citing control by 'tiny minority of well-connected members'". CTV News. 1 January 2017. Retrieved 11 April 2017.
• From Jennifer McKenzie (politician): "Former Ottawa school board chair acclaimed as N.B. NDP leader". CTV News. August 10, 2017. Retrieved August 12, 2017.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Cardy section revision proposed

There is an obvious imbalance in this article, as the treatment of the Cardy leadership period is very detailed and extended, almost 1500 words, containing many ins and outs of the flow of the story and various quotations from the media. By contrast, the longest passage on any other leader, Elizabeth Weir, the most significant in the party's history, is currently about 350 words. This is a problem in terms of Wikipedia policies, which require balanced treatment of subjects and a style that summarizes facts succinctly. Refer, for instance, to WP:5P1 ("an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or collection of source documents") and WP:5P2 ("due weight" and "impartial tone"). Keeping in mind the policy WP:5P4 of respect for other editors and the importance of consensus, I wanted to post this comment for discussion before proceeding further. I think this section needs to be drastically reduced, and references adjusted accordingly. Some of it is already on [[1]], while other material may belong in other articles. The good faith revision here should not be taken as vandalism but one of restoring balance to the overall article. Instead of making the edit without notice, I offer the following revised draft, about 300 words, for comment. If you have revisions, please comment below:

Following Duguay’s resignation, Jesse Travis was named interim leader, and a leadership race was scheduled for 2011. When one of the two candidates, Pierre Cyr, was disqualified and withdrew, the party’s former campaign director Dominic Cardy was acclaimed as party leader. He then embarked on a process of further changing the party's platform and organization, in line with the Third Way model associated with former British prime minister Tony Blair, whom Cardy admired. In a leadership review at the 2012 party convention, Cardy was endorsed by 82% of the voting members.

By 2014, however, Cardy’s political strategy was attracting criticism, especially on issues of resource development in forestry, oil pipelines and shale gas. Concerns increased when Cardy recruited several prominent former Conservative and Liberal politicians as candidates for the 2014 election. These factors contributed to the defection of some NDP supporters, including former leader Allison Brewer, to the Green Party of New Brunswick, who were successful in electing David Coon in Fredericton South. The NDP received 13% of the vote in the September 22, 2014 provincial election, a record high in votes. Although Cardy came within 500 votes of winning in his constituency, the party failed to win any seats.

Cardy announced plans to resign at the next party convention, but this was suspended to enable him to run in an unexpected byelection in Saint John East in November 2014, though without success. The party executive subsequently encouraged him to continue as leader. Criticism of Cardy’s policies and leadership style increased, with concerns expressed by veteran leaders such as federal NDP MP Yvon Godin and Daniel Legere, president of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, New Brunswick. Complaining of party infighting, Cardy resigned both as leader and as a party member on January 1, 2017. Later that month, he announced that he was joining the Progressive Conservatives under Blaine Higgs as Strategic Issues Director.

Ami du peuple (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

No objections received, so I have implemented the changes to this section for the reasons given above. Ami du peuple (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

About 2018 election

No problem with the recent added info by Friggin Heck on June 19 about McKenzie policies. But we should remember that the article is not a current news bulletin, so we should probably avoid blow by blow reporting on developments during the campaign or putting up lists of candidates. See the earlier discussion about the Cardy section, especially the references to Wikipedia policies WP:5P1 ("an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or collection of source documents") and WP:5P2 ("due weight" and "impartial tone"). Ami du peuple (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

About Leadership

June 1st-August 11th 2023 there was no leader the interim leader resigned and the position was not filled until the end of the 2023 Leadership Race this is a significant time period of 71 days for a party to be without leadership and is worth noting. Someone has removed the vacancy several times meanwhile other NDP branches in Atlantic provinces have experience similar vacant periods without a leader and it is permitted to be included in their Wikipedia articles. Requesting that this remain or it is removed from the other pages. It is a noteworthy point to note the vacancy of leadership during this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:D1C0:E67:25F6:598:2660:55D (talk) 02:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

71 days is not a significant time period for a less significant party in a less significant province. adding that just adds unnecessary space and it honestly makes more sense to just not include it, the fact that New Brunswick's NDP party was vacant for not even a fourth of a year holds no significance. Additionally, I cannot find other "similar vacant periods without a leader" in other Atlantic NDP branches, unless you're referring to PEI, which, due to its vacancy periods lasting during multiple years, is more noteworthy. B3251 (talk) 03:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

It is time for a formal Dispute resolution request we appear to be at a total impasse — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:D1E0:7C10:7088:57ED:14C9:DC4 (talk) 03:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I literally gave you a response and I've received nothing back other than adding what you want back without any consensus. If you're going to keep adding it back without any sort of adequate explanation I'll have to bring it to the administrators' noticeboard. B3251 (talk) 04:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

It's not common practise on Wikipedia to add vacancies to lists such as the one in question. Perhaps if it was for an abnormally long period of time, but not a couple of months. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

This is what I mean, thank you @Earl Andrew; the vacancies mentioned by the IP on other province's NDP pages cover a multi-year time span; what I mean by this is 2021-2022 for example, which includes two years (2021 and 2022). I would understand adding a vacancy if it were like that, but definitely not a couple of months through the same year. B3251 (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding IP edit warring without proper consensus

The IP keeps adding it back, and seems to go by new IPs..? I honestly don't think they're willing to listen; they've been made aware multiple times that they need to reach consensus rather than just adding what they want. How do we go forward from this? I brought it up to the Administrator's noticeboard and seemingly nothing has happened. Pinging those who've reverted the IP. @Earl Andrew @Untamed1910 B3251 (talk) 05:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I have protected the page. I worry that I've overstepped my bounds as someone who was involved in this, but if the other admins aren't willing to do anything... -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! B3251 (talk) 19:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)