Talk:Necker Island

Branson's Necker is more famous, and larger

I searched for "Necker Island" in Wikipedia expecting to read about Sir Richard Branson's island. I found this article. Interested to learn that there is another island which shares the name, I then assumed that this one was somehow larger, or more important than the other. But no.. Branson's Necker is larger (74 acres), compared with 45 acres. I therefore suggest that this article name be given directly to Richard Branson's island - and the Hawaiian one renamed "Necker Island (Hawaii)". Any thoughts? EuroSong ^talk 20:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I could see an argument for that. I could also see an argument for changing Necker Island into a disambiguation page (there are probably others too), and moving this one to a new location with an appropriate suffix. Probably better to start an AfM to discuss it though. This article has had more time and love that Branson's island, so someone will probably object to the move. --Legis (talk - contribs) 21:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, whether Branson's island is more famous is debatable, (the Hawaiian island is of much greater interest to scientists) but if this article is to be renamed, then I want it to be called "Mokumanamana," the island's other name. The island is equally recognized by this name by sources, and which name you call it by is a matter of personal preference. Some scientists prefer "Mokumanamana." Necker Island would be reassigned to Branson's island, with a note on top similar to the current one, only referring then to Mokumanana. SeanMD80^{talk | contribs} 01:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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There is legitimate concern about people looking for Branson's island and finding the Hawaiian island instead. Even though the topic of the NWHI is the primary topic on Wikipedia (based on actual links), the popularity of the British island necessitates a dab page, which I've created. There's no need to keep discussing this. Viriditas (talk) 06:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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movereq|Necker Island (Hawaii)

Necker Island → Necker Island (Hawaii) —

This is less well known than the British Virgin Island, and is not primary topic, as can be seen in a Google search, were almost all of the first 100 hits are the BVI one [1] , over 2/3rds of a Google news archive search [2] are about the BVI one, about 1/3rd of a Google book search [3] is about the BVI one, most of the Google scholar hits [4] are about the Hawaiian one.

This clearly shows no primary usage, so Necker Island should redirect to Necker disambiguation page.

70.29.210.242 (talk) 09:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

• Move to Necker Island, Hawaii, usual format for geographical disambiguation. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
• Support Move to Necker Island, Hawaii Skinsmoke (talk) 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose. Nominator is misinformed. Primary usage is established by this link. The island is historically more notable than the British Virgin Island by every available criterion imaginable, and the prehistoric religious sites and settlements have been written about for more than a century with significant data collected by the Tanager Expedition, Evenhuis & Eldredge, and many others. I doubt Richard Branson's Necker Island was even known by the public until 1980. Viriditas (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
• Comment The fact that the island in Hawaii appears on four Templates, and therefore shows up on pages linking, is not proof of primary usage. Even then, the island in Hawaii has 206 Wikilinks, while that in the British Virgin Islands has 134. Not all that convincing a case for primary usage. Incidentally, at least some of those links are clearly linking to the wrong Necker Island, which only strengthens the case for the move. Nor is the fact that an alternative island may not been known until 30 years ago. We are dealing with 2010, not 1980. To claim primary usage, the evidence should be overwhelming that the vast majority of people using the term mean that particular usage, and that is highly doubtful in this case. If the argument is not convincing, then a disambiguator applies. Skinsmoke (talk) 16:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

No, filtering out template usage still shows Necker Island in the NWHI as the primary topic, and it has been as such for more than a century. Please remind me, what is the purpose of this request? Let's compare current article linkage minus all template usage and all attempts by editors to change this status since the move request was made. Which article comes out on top? Viriditas (talk) 05:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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Needs a detailed account of its discovery by Europeans, and all exploratory voyages thereafter, including the Tanager Expedition. An ecology section needs to be created with all relevant species of plants and animals here. Also, much more needs to be said about the stone structures on the island. Needs a section on geography/geology, as well. SeanMD80talk | contribs 17:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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