Talk:National Front (UK)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Nomader (talk · contribs) 15:29, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article. Nomader (talk) 15:29, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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Really excited to be doing this review, fascinating subject matter. One note here is that I obviously don't have access to all of the books that you've cited on the subject, and so I will be AGF with a number of sources here.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• "Over the following months" should have a comma at the end of it.

• Added comma. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• GLC should be in parentheses next to "Greater London Council" in its first appearance so you can use it moving forward.

• Added acronym. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Although never won a seat on local council" should say "Although the party never won a seat on local council"

• I've gone with "it never won a seat on a local council". Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• I'm good with that. Nomader (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• You note that the party did "better" in Hounslow-- better than what? (Is this against the other ridings or just in general? Think it can be clarified better here).

• Good idea. I've changed the prose to the following: "while its best result was in Hounslow". Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• Perfect. Nomader (talk)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• Who is Gordon Brown? (Obviously not the PM in this context). Should be clear in the prose.

• There's no Wikilink for this figure, but I've added "formerly of the Greater Britain Movement" to give a little more context. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• Is there anything since 2015? Did they succeed in switching over BNP members?

• I'm not aware of any Reliable Sources that actually discuss this. Academics have basically ignored the NF as it has existed in the 21st century, with their attention switching decisively to groups like the BNP and then the EDL, so there is very little material out there dealing with more recent events. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• I'm surprised to see the party's explicit LGBT stance when one of its chairs was a member of that community. Was that a shift over time? Think it would be good to expand on it here.

• As far as I'm aware, there was no shift over time, it was simply an odd contradiction; a part with gay male members in senior places that nevertheless espoused the criminalisation of same-sex acts. The same was true of the original Nazi Party as well. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• Haggerston caption on the photo in the 'Voter base' section should absolutely have a reference there.

• Added (and I've altered the prose in the caption slightly too). Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:28, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• There's a discrepancy between the source and the article here. You wrote: "The NF did not publicise the number of branches that were active across the UK." Fielding, the reference, states on the page you cited: "The number of branches is also information the party is not eager to publicize." It's a small difference but significant, and then he goes on to list estimates in the paragraph afterwards.

• I've amended the prose to state that "The NF was not eager to publicise the number of branches that were active across the UK". Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• I could not find ref 87 on that page or anything near it-- talked about Tyndall there but not him resigning. 84 checks out though.

• I've checked my paper copy of the book; on page 23, at the end of the first paragraph, it states that "Tyndall resigned at the NF Directorate meeting held on 19 January 1980." I'm using the second edition, which was published in 2008; might you have been looking at a version of the first edition, published in 2004? Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:03, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• Looks like I am-- did a search for that quote and I found it on a different page, so we're good. Sorry about that! Nomader (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• I did a spot check with the pages that I could get for free on Google Books. Checked the following refs and they all matched up: 28, 75, 372, and most of the other Copsey refs. AGF on the others-- the differences from the version that I've spot-checked are either incredibly minor or we likely have different editions of similar books so page numbers are slightly off.

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• This doesn't matter for a GAN, but if you're thinking about taking this to FAC, there should be a section talking about the legacy or impact of the NF. This article easily meets 3a, but worth considering moving forward.

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Very well done here on an incredibly contentious topic.

2. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

3. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   A. K. Chesterton photo is alright because of his deceased status. Yorkshire NF photo is CC and good to go. Strasser photo seems fine, although the only edit the user ever made on Commons was to upload that one photo which seems weird to me-- but that's a Commons problems, not a GAN one here. Flags and 2007 protest are good to go. Rock Against Racism photo is good to go too.

4. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Have a few items that need to be changed, but they're all easy fixes. Really amazing work here! Nomader (talk) 04:44, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to read and review the article, Nomader. Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Changed to pass, I have no additional concerns. Absolutely brilliant work! Nomader (talk) 15:54, 10 June 2018 (UTC)