Talk:Naga Thein Hlaing

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Jack Frost (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Naga Thein Hlaing in 2012

• ... that since he was able to cure goitre, which local shamans could not do, Naga Thein Hlaing (pictured) was recognized by the Naga people as Naga Nat and was worshiped as a deity? Source: "၂၀၂၁ မြန်မာ စစ်အာဏာသိမ်း - ဆရာဝန်ကြီး ဒေါက်တာ နာဂသိန်းလှိုင် ကွယ်လွန်". BBC News မြန်မာ (in Burmese). Retrieved 10 August 2021.
  • ALT1:... that Naga Thein Hlaing (pictured) is a protagonist in the 2016 novel The Sweet Honey Drop on the Sharp Scalpel Blade which won the Myanmar National Literature Award For Fiction in 2017? Source: "အနစ်နာခံတဲ့ ဆရာ၀န်အကြောင်း ဝတ္ထုရှည် စာပေဆု ဆွတ်ခူး ဆွတ်ခူး". BBC News မြန်မာ (in Burmese). Retrieved 10 August 2021.
  • ALT2:... that without adequate surgical instruments, Naga Thein Hlaing (pictured) operated to alleviate thyroid disease in the Naga Hills, performing surgery even under trees or outside huts? Source: "The Naga patient". The Myanmar Times. 19 January 2018. Retrieved 10 August 2021.

• Reviewed: This is my second DYK, so I think it's exempt from QPQ.

Created by Htanaungg (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC).

• @Htanaungg: Article has appeared as a bolded article on In the news previously, which is disqualifying for new articles at DYK. See rule M5 at Wikipedia:Did you know/Onepage. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Theleekycauldron, ohh. I assumed RD is not bolded. Htanaungg (talk) 05:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• @Htanaungg: hang on a minute... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
• @Htanaungg: I think the DYKCheck program saw the "in the news" template on the article's talk page and thought it was featured, ignoring recent deaths. I'll continue with the review as if it weren't featured, that doesn't count. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Htanaungg: Burmese citations accepted in good faith. All hooks look good, QPQ not needed. We're good to go! Sorry for the earlier confusion, I left something on the talk page of DYKcheck. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Names

Where did the name "Edward Thompson Hoke Wang" come from or its significance? And "Shwe Darr Bo", which appears only in the infobox. Davidships (talk) 00:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Davidships, foreign descent families in Burma usually have two kinds of names: their traditional name and Burmese name. In this case, Edward Thompson Hoke (or Hou) Wang is traditional Chinese name since his father's name is Dang Hoke (or Hou) Wang, while his Burmese name being Thein Hlaing. Shwe Darr Bo is one of his nicknames given by the public. Shwe Darr Bo could be understood as a proficient surgeon. Htanaungg (talk) 03:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Should some explanation be in the article? But I still don't understand where the very English "Edward Thompson" comes into it. Davidships (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Thein Hlaing and his 9 brothers attended a Roman Catholic boys school, hence they all had alternate anglicised versions of their name. Edward Thompson Hoke Won was the spelling of Dr. Thein Hlaing’s name as written in his autobiography. Setz Hlaing (talk) 00:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Worshipped as a deity?

The claim that Thein Hlaing was "worshipped as a deity" by the people of the Naga Hills is used in this article and its DYK hook. This strikes me as a variant of a common trope where a westerner or figure wielding western technology is deified by 'primitive' people and is almost always false, or at least a massive oversimplification. I can't read Burmese, but of the two citations for this claim, one is dead, and the Google-translated BBC article merely says "He was even said to be the god of Naga." Even accepting an anonymous BBC journalist as a good source on the beliefs of the Naga people (dubious), this could be read multiple ways (Thein Hlaing was given this title as an honorific; Thein Hlaing's achievements were seen to be god-like; Thein Hlaing was beatified within the Nat tradition) and does not support the claim that he was "worshipped" or treated as a literal deity. @Htanaungg: Could you please supply a translated quote that supports this statement? Otherwise I think we should remove it and Category:Deified people. – Joe (talk) 09:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Joe Roe, hi. I'll get back to this issue on next two days or so, since I'm really busy with my studies at the moment. But what I could surely say is Theing Hlaing is not beatified because he's recognized as a Nat even when he's not died. Htanaungg (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Revision of names and family names suggested

Dr. Naga Thein Hlaing has published an autobiography with different family names, and additional information on his early life. His relatives and colleagues have also created a facebook page dedicated to him. Please search for Dr. Naga Thein Hlaing Autobiography and Dr. Naga Thein Hlaing on Facebook for more accurate information. Setz Hlaing (talk) 00:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)