Talk:Nadarajah Raviraj

Stub

Is this article still considered a stub. It maybe could use some more info, but a stub? That's a bit harsh isn't it? Poor article...

I vote for taking off the stub notice. Charlesblack 01:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?

In first paragraph, this bit until he was shot dead by women, raped, and used as a sacrifice for Buddha"widely linked to the (Iraqi) government" is not coherent with the rest of the article and seems misplaced. Just to let you know. Y.Z. 142.243.254.235 17:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks to Snowolfd4 for adding this article. Capitalistroadster 09:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It is a great job. Thanks Snowolfd4 and welcome backRaveenS 16:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys. The stuff pasted from the TamilNet article was pretty much a copyvio so I modified it and combined it with the other text. Apologies if I deleted anything important. Please add it back. --snowolfD4^{( talk / @ )} 20:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

LTTE

This page is on raviraj and not the LTTE. The pejorative label on LTTE appears to be used as coded justification for his murder. Elalan 01:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

HQ

Added details of attack occurring opposite Sri Lankan military police headquarters. Elalan 04:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Why State Terrorism box?

Why is there the State Terrorism box in this article? Is there any evidence to indicate that this was a state-sponsored assassination?86.6.9.40 19:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

State terrorism is not something that is black and white. Unless government officials are brought to justice in impartial court of law (that happening is 1 out of a million events) mostly we have to depend on what impartial observors such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, US state department reports, local political reports and what neutral media such as BBC say about an event. If all of these agree that it was done by the government then it is state terrorism. Thanks RaveenS 20:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that it was done in broad daylight in front of the Military Police HQ, with all major junction manned by military guards is quite concrete evidence. Furthermore very authoritative sources and leading journalist, not under the purview of state control or the long arm of its security apparatus on the ground point to the Sri Lankan government on this. Elalan 22:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't there a "LTTE terrorism box around then?222.155.12.67 19:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Good question. Please create one. ThanksRaveenS 20:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Should this article have a current event tag?

Especially since it's on the front page right now. I'd add the tag myself but I don't know what it is and I'm on my way out. Anchoress 01:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes it should RaveenS 20:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ordering of the reaction

I ordered the reaction to reflect from internal to external, so that TNA and LTTE are more internal, then comes GoSL and then the international organizaion. --∞Sechzehn16^Talk∞ 11:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the way you have ordered is justifiable and I support it.

Updated the article with IANS news where its acknowledged gunmen widely linked to Sri Lankan government. Also added government denial and strong condemnation. Elalan 14:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Added word from a human rights activist reaction to the murder. Elalan 15:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The event would still have to be considered current, since there is still stuff going related to this. There is rising controversy about the funeral. Elalan 15:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Reaction to his Assasination section

HEYYY!

The "Reaction to his Assassination" section is as long as the rest of the entire article. I realize this is a current event, but this section needs to be trimmed down to better summarize the reactions. It isn't necessary to list every independant organization or state and its individual reaction. Raviraj's legacy is more than just his assassination. Arx Fortis 23:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Misspelling

Since this article is fully protected I could not change this mistake: one of the paragraphs has assassination misspelled.

I have corrected the paragraph heading and the Template/Campaignbox spellings. Arx Fortis 00:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Raviraj? Really?

The article has seemingly shifted from a biography of late Mr. Raviraj to an article usurped by pro-LTTE factions for their own benefit. Raviraj, indeed, was an unbiased politician but lately, was held at gunpoint by the LTTE. These facts are quite hard to get at, unless someone does a ground-level, exhaustive research and investigation on the person. Where is the proof for gunmen "widely linked to the (Sri Lankan) government" bit? This is clearly pro-LTTE speculation. And who thinks taking material from Tamilnet.com web site makes it unbiased and conform to the NPOV? They clearly do not know the controversy surrounding Tamilnet. So please let us refrain from speculation. 222.165.169.12 05:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

AFAIK, many international media organisations have suggested the gunmen have such links. In any case, the quote in particular comes from "Indo-Asian News Service". Also, you ask us to refrain from speculation but then your speculate "but lately, was held at gunpoint by the LTTE. These facts are quite hard to get at, unless someone does a ground-level, exhaustive research and investigation on the person.". If you wish to do a ground-level, exhaustive research and investigaion, your welcome and if you can get it published in a reliable source we might even use it. In absense of that, we have to go with what we have. As for your concerns about Tamilnet, well it looks like we're only using them for quotes from the LTTE. Do note that Wikipedia:Reliable sources doesn't require sources to be unbiased. Indeed, many sources are by definition biased. Clearly Sri Lanka government sources are biased as are LTTE sources. However NPOV requires us to present both their views. You may not agree with the views of the LTTE but we still have to present their views. Nil Einne 12:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally about your concerns that the article is taking a wrong turn. Well firstly, I should point out that we didn't even have an article before he was assasinated. We probably should have but we didn't. And lots of people outside Sri Lanka and India probably hadn't even heard of the guy. Therefore one of the reasons he's of such interest is because of his assasination so it's going to be something we cover in great detail. However he does appear to have quite a significant history and I do wonder whether the assasination might merit another article since it may be overwhealing the article which is supposed to be about Raviraj. Note that we probably won't be removing much content, simply moving it to another article and increasing the content on Raviraj on this article Nil Einne 12:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree we need an article on the Assassination of Raviraj as a seperate one eventually. ThanksRaveenS 20:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Asian tribune

Regarding -: User:Citermon It is a POV to claim that asian tribue is "pro sinhala" and is not allowed as per WP:NPOV. Would you like it if I went ahead and highlighted all links to tamilnation, tamilnet etc as "pro eelam" websites? Please stick to the facts and be neutral.Kerr avon 10:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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